why do fighters refuse to fight?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by rjko23, Sep 5, 2010.


  1. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    he should've asked Hagler what it feels like when other fighters don't wanna fight you and I'm sure he would sing a different tune then Leonard.

    Leonard didn't have that problem cause he was the cash cow compared to everyone else.
     
  2. rjko23

    rjko23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i know its a contradiction in terms. most boxers contradict them selves all the time"im the best fighter out there" "ill fight anyone" two years later they have fought nothing but bums. i was trying to be ironic. dont worry i wont bother next time
     
  3. rjko23

    rjko23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what ever u say about leanard compared to todays standards he was a warrior. if he was around now we would be hailing him as the saviour!!!
     
  4. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "In a recent interview with the sports journalist Elie Sechbeck, boxing legend and five weight world champion Sugar Ray Leonard was asked how frustrating it was being over looked by opponents who refused to fight him and how he dealt with it?"

    Leonard should have fought Hagler much earlier than he actually did and it's my understanding tha this was more down to SRL than it was Hagler.

    No one ducked Leonard as he was a cash cow.

    Aside from that, I agree with the sentiments of the article that the best need to fight the best on a regular basis. This is true and the more articles etc that make this point then the more pressure is put on the sport as the fans' voice becomes heard.

    Do you want specific comments on the article itself? A few minor typos (eg, one of Norton's quotes begins with a lower case letter and I think "there" is mistakenly used instead of "they are" or "they're"). My main issue is with the article are things such as;

    "Pacquiao’s refusal to take a blood test is a glaring reminder of another shameful part of the sports history but what’s more worrying than Pacquiao\'s possible drug abuse is the seeming power that both Floyd and Manny posses when deciding who and when they fight."

    This belongs in a post on a forum rather than an article. Unless we're in the room at the time, we have no idea what happens in negotiations. Pure conjencture.

    "there’s no question he's [khan] avoiding anyone with any weight behind there punch and fans are starting to turn their back on him"

    Maidana fight is confirmed apparently. And just as many fans think that Khan will school Maidana as those who think Maidana will knock Khan's head off. To say "fans are starting to turn their back on him" is inaccurate. Khan has never been that popular in the UK and in my opinion, his popularity at home is growing rather than shrinking.

    Dont want to sound like i'm having a go. It's a good article and I agree with the overall point of it, props to the writer. I just think there should be a distinction between 'posts' where you can say whatever is on your mind and 'articles' which I think need to be pretty flawless to be credible.
     
  5. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ha! You posted this as I was writing my reply (interupted during work)!

    :good
     
  6. rjko23

    rjko23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah pal dont mind the criticism. apreciate it if anything. about the grammer and spelling. i mistakingly wrote my early articles on hotmail which has no spell check. ive started using word now so they are flwless in that sense.

    my comments about p[acqiauo in my mind were 100% warrented.... i never said pacqiauo took steroids.... i said" the possible drug abuse" not even insinuating just acnoledging the accusation has been made. ill leave the biased comments to others!

    futher more disagree with what you said about amir khan. freddie roach openly admits he's selecting fights for khan that suite him. he said in the past maidana is too dangerous. props to khan for takingb the fight now though. im from the uk and im telling you people are losing interest. he was far more popular at rthe start of his career.

    you say there should be a distiction between posts and articles and articles need to be flawless. well i think my article is pretty diplomatic and unbiased. writers should still be allowed opinions they shouldnt just be neutral for the sake of it. some things need to be said. for instance:
    #1pacman refused to take blood tests even though marquez and mosley didnt. thats not acussing him its just stating facts.
    #2 amir khan hasnt fought anyone with a positive ko ratio in the last 5 fights. fact!
     
  7. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair points mate. And as I say, I agree with the overall message. Of course writers are entitled to their opinions and it's what makes the sport great that two people can watch/read the same thing and come out with two entirely different conclusions as to what they've seen/read.

    I dont want to labour the point, but regarding the Manny thing, Pac has never been found to have used any kind of banned substance. You mention that Pac refused to take blood tests which Marquez and Mosely both took. Fair enough, but why does Mayweather get to call the standards rather than the governing bodies? Why does Floyd get to move the goal posts? Is there a difference in saying "We want Olympic standard drug testing rather than the testing that has been used, and not complained about, for the last [x] amount of years" to, for example, "We want bigger gloves, a bigger ring and lead weights on the sole of our boots". I dont see how an athlete gets to have a say in the rules of the sport in which he competes? Floyd has raised this issue, with nothing to back it up. We cant blame Manny for that.

    And it's sort of that reason that I raised the point initially. It's not that you have or havent implied that he is a drugs cheat, it's that your intial article says "Pacquiao’s refusal to take a blood test is a glaring reminder of another shameful part of the sports history". My interpretation would be "Floyd's complete disregard for the rules put in place have brought into disrepute, not only, the reputation of Manny Pacquiao but also the credibility of the sport".

    That's the point I'm making mate. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion. And maybe it is a fact that the fight fell through because of the blood testing, but that one line regarding Pac's 'refusal' turns the point from being one of fact to one of implicit blame.

    My advice (and do with it what you will, I'm no author so you're welcome to embrace/ignore or completely lambast me) would be to just make it a little more neutral by saying somthing like "The fact that the biggest fight on the planet didnt materialise and the reasons given were around the arrangements for blood testing serve as a glaring reminder of another shameful part of the sports history..."

    I just think it's a little unfair on Manny to throw that line in an article.

    On the Khan issue, I take your point that he hasnt faced a puncher since Prescott. But he's got Maidana next (if the reports are substantiated). And as for Roach, he says a lot of things, but he doesnt make the fights. A great trainer but not always great at PR.

    I'm not accusing you of being biased in any way mate, I just think that there are some things in there which you need to either provide a counter argument for or just leave out completely.
     
  8. kfighter10

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    Fighters refuse to fight because they may be...

    • scared
    • got injured in practice
    • not feeling 100%
    • just not done with vacation yet
     
  9. rjko23

    rjko23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah i take your point. now i look at it i could word it differently. i like your wording of it. you should try writing an article mate. its good fun and and quite funny seeing all the comments people leave about your article. ive only written about 10 articles and i have no qualificatrions apart from gcse so im a complete noivice. i suppose the only way you improve is by reading professional article and see who they structure things. by the way i would never accuse manny of drug abuse but to be honest i have a suspicion he's guilty. dont know why its just one opf those gut feelings. maybe its that ariza!! he looks shifty to me.
     
  10. Swarmer

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    they don't want their earning potential to drop, obviously.
     
  11. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ha! I have my suspicions too. Mainly because he started off fighting at like 6 stone and now is the same size as Cotto. You dont get that through eating pasta! As for the articles, I've always been interested but I'm too lazy to actually follow it through!!

    Armchair critic does me nicely :smoke