Vitali vs Briggs, a new spin.

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  1. Escopeta

    Escopeta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    have you actually ever seen a Valuev fight?
    He neither has a jab nor anything that deserves to be named jab :lol:
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    you have never seen valuev vs liakovic have you? the guy that gave briggs hell for 11 and half rounds.

    go and watch it, leave me alone for 36 minutes :deal
     
  3. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    That's because Sergie was moving away for all the 11th round until Briggs ko him in the 12th. Valuev won't be moving away cause he don't have the movement to do it if he fought Briggs.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    sergei was beating briggs. he never once got ahead in the fight vs valuev.

    i just havent seen anything so far in the career of briggs to make me believe he would kayo valuev.
     
  5. thesandman

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    Just ****ing give up man. You're never going to get through to them.

    According to them, Shannon Briggs "Coulda" beat tonnes of fighters.

    He just hasn't because, um, well, he loses to the good fighters he faces.

    Lets go a few years, and pick Briggs fights over half decent opponents...


    Liakovich W by KO - Nov 06
    Mercer W by KO - Aug 05 (mercer was bloody 44)
    McCline L by UD - April 02
    Sedric Fields :-( L by UD April 2000


    EVery other fight has been against cans or regional level fighters.


    But apparently, this bloke could have wiped the floor with Ruiz, Valuev etc. Because, well, he looks like a body builder and can KO journeymen.

    So, he's a muscly butterbean then?

    To be fair, I saw he drew with Francois Botha, and that'a about right. He's a very similar level fighter to Botha. Too good for most fighters, not good enough at the top level.
     
  6. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    He deserves exactly the amount of credit that a Briggs win would bring. No more and no less.

    (And despite Briggs being younger than Vitali and a former world champion, I don't see him as carrying much credit)

    And as you mention, he can do little else if no other fight is available to him.

    Haye would be a good win, but Haye refuses to fight him.
     
  7. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Style makes fights my friend and believe me Briggs has a great shot of koing Valuev. You talk about Valuev jab? You mean the paddy jabs?
     
  8. thesandman

    thesandman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Based on what?

    All the times Valuev has been ko'd?
    Or the number of Top 10 fighters Briggs has Ko'd?
     
  9. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    IMHO, While Nick may be higher ranked at the moment, Briggs is a more dangerous choice for Vitali.

    There's at least the possibility of Briggs landing something big.

    I don't see any way for Valuev to pull it out.
     
  10. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Valuev has been hurt by fighters that don't hit as hard as Briggs. Didn't Barrett stunned the giant? If he can do it, why can't Briggs who hits just as harder?I mean come on didn't freaking Donald hurt Valuev in their fight? And Haye in the last fight Hurt Valuev badly in the 12th.
     
  11. 2ironmt

    2ironmt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with you. Not saying briggs will necessarily ko valuev, but valuev will be there to be hit and briggs will at least hurt him most likely repeatedly. as you say valuev has had some trouble with less than stellar opposition. ****, valuev's record when considering close/questionable decisons against a less than elite level opposition isn't all that much better than briggs record
     
  12. thesandman

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    Because Briggs punches in slow motion, and throws about 4 punches a round.

    I have no doubt Briggs punches hard enough to KO most fighters. Thing is, most fighters above regional level are good enough to avoid being landed on by Briggs, as he is so slooooooooooooow with it.

    That's why Briggs absolutely floors C level fighters - but generally loses to guys better than that.

    Now, Valuev is hardly fleet of foot. But hes reasonably sound, ****ing huge, and for a guy of that size has reasonable conditioning.

    Speed destroys Valuev without doubt. Briggs doens't have it. All the guys you've named that have hurt Valuev (Barrett, Donald, Haye), aren't like lightning, but that's their main advantage over Valuev. Honestly, for one of the few times in his career, Valuev may be the quicker, more mobile fighter against Briggs...

    The Briggs that fought Lewis could beat Valuev. He was what, under 230 back then?

    The 260/270 Briggs is far too immobile and inactive IMO.
     
  13. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Yea Briggs might be too slow but Valuev isn't a bit quicker in my opinion. If Valuev stands toe 2 toe with Briggs then i don't like Valuev chances. I give you an example of why i think Briggs has a great chance of koing the Giant. How come Sergie didn't stand toe 2 toe vs Valuev the way he did vs Brewster? Hint cause Briggs is a dangerous power puncher. Valuev don't have the movement like Sergie does.
     
  14. Farmboxer

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    Valouev has stamina and Briggs does not.

    Vitali will knock Briggs out!!!!!!!
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    he didnt stand toe to toe because valuev jabbed the fuk out of him that night.

    ray say what you want, but valuev vs briggs is not ending in a knockout.

    how many people have hurt jameel mcline? and how the briggs fight end. how many people have hurt lewis? and how did the briggs fight end. did you see the lyle vs foreman fight? and how did the briggs fight end. and yes he stopped a fatigued shot mercer.

    that is pretty much it in terms of his top class competition isnt it.