Are Pacquiao's accomplishments @ 147 really "that much" better than pbf's?

Yeah... a 39 year old who has been inactive for 16 months is a better win than a prime Cotto. :roll:

 

They are clearly worse.

 

i know you don't like floyd, but not sure how you can justify more credible


oscar at 147 ( a weight he hadn't been down to in over 10 years

cotto at 145...limiting his opponent's weight

clottey at 147...i still don't see how this is legit..fighting cotto for a title at 145 then fighting the guy that cotto beat before this title fight, but 147 is ok (yeah i know the division was f'ed at the time, doesn't make the fight any better)

all 3 had broken corners

oscar's was just a mess

cotto has a nobody trainer (ok, that isn't pac's fault, but the timing has be to mentioned)

clottey...trainer couldn't get into the country ( i thought arum took care of all his boys...guess only the diva) and pac hired clottey's sparring partner


ODLH 3-2 in last 5 fights before pac

Cotto 4-1 (hat one being margo's pounding on him)

clottey 4-1...his loss to cotto


i know it gets a little incestuous with the records and all the TR fighters, and it would get a little more confusing if we add margo to the list

but the point is, he is getting guys at some rather rocky times in their careers, and all of the actual situations are a bit suspicious

now, pac is one hell of a fighter, i won't take anything away from his pre-135 days, but after that, it seems that everything, in and out of the ring, have to be advantagous for pac to be in the fight (that includes weight, weigh in times (see:cotto), corners, sparring partners, timing of the fights...all of it


ok, im done, flame away

 

i wouldnt agree that the cotto vs manny was a prime cotto

i will say for the original posters list

moseley baldomir and judah were all undisputed welterweight champs at one point baldy didnt get all the belts due to a sanctioning fees mess but he was undisputed

Floyd beat all 3 bot only convincingly but he managed to only lose about 5 or 6 rounds between the 3 fights

Not to mention undefeated champion Ricky Hatton fresh of a Tzyu and Castillo stoppages

Also Marquez the current light weight undisputed champion of the world

alot of ppl like to knock this win but after sitting over a year in retirement and coming back and using this fight as a tune up is amazing beating the number 2 p4p as a tune up is incredible

ppl like to say oh he was a lightweight and oh he didnt make 144

but was it ok when moseley moved up to face oscar

was it ok when manny went up and faced oscar

 

the broken corners is an interesting point never heard that one

though in the 247 build up oscars corner was seen as the all star line up escpecially with angelo dundee helping him

 

yeah, oscars issue is he got too big for a stable corner...and by that i mean his ego...he didn't have a bad corner, like say cotto, but he didn't have a stable corner

in 2 fights before pac (floyd) he was using pac's trainer...talk about getting some inside info


again, i will never blame pac for taking on that fight.....he would have been stupid not too, but at the same time, i don't see it as anything amazing when you look at the situation, not just the name

 

Floyd retired because Oscar wanted more money than him for the rematch!

 

What size difference? Boxing has "weight" divisions...not "height" divisions!!!:-(

 

Who said they actually were?

I'd say, categorically no. Two of the three of Mayweather's were PFP top 10. And 2 of the 3 were linear champs at the weight when he faced the,

Oscar and Clottey weren't even ranked in the divisional top 5. And Cotto was divisional number 3 as I recall

 

Manny's in ring weight versus Marquez was 146 stinking pounds.

Floyd was only 150 pounds versus Oscar, in ring, at 154.

Manny boiled himself down at 130 for a long time.

 

It's not a welterweight fight. It's a catchweight fight, in the welterweight division.

A welterweight fight is when both fighters are free to weigh in at any weight they want, under 147 pounds

 

Please, oscar wanted the lion share of the money 2nd time round, having already lost to floyd.

Floyd said hell no he getting the smaller purse, especially after giving oscar his biggest pay day as well.

Funny thing is that no one wanted to see this rematch, the majority of people had it a clear win for floyd.

 

What are you talking about?

Pacquiao flat out ducked Mosely. It was much more money, for a shot at the linear champ, and the ring title.

Roach wouldn't make the fight, as Shane was a "runner".

Cotto was coming off a career ending loss, stinked it up versus Clottey, and was nowhere in the division.

Shane was at his best. Cotto was severely exposed already

 

Shane was coming off a dominating win over the guy who destroyed Cotto, you fool.

The Cotto Shane fight was very close, and the only reason they never rematched is Cotto wimped out and ducked it.

Cotto was coming off a loss, and nearly losing again to Clottey.

The guy was well exposed, and nowhere near prime

 

Floyd has been a WW for just under 5 years, Pac just under 2. That said, I still think PBF has better WW accomplishments.