Are Pacquiao's accomplishments @ 147 really "that much" better than pbf's?

Nobody said Mosley was prime, but Cotto was prime my butt.

Coming off a brutal life changing like beating by Margarito and darn near losing to Clottey is prime?

There's absolutely no way anyone can convince me Cotto was at the same level he was at in the Pacquiao fight, compared to him before the Margarito fight. Its a good win, but foolhardy IMO to say he resembled anything close to a prime fighter

 

Prime cotto

Cotto got the **** kicked out of him by margarito with concrete gloves. Then got a gift decision against human punching bag clottey. Cotto was surely in his prime

And please don't let me even bring up the catch weight bull****:good

 

Manny has done nothing at 147. Clottey and DLH, that's it. Both were coming off losses and DLH had no business fighting at 147. Cotto doesn't count as it was yet another bull **** Pacman catch-weight. Also, he was coming off a brutal loss and brutal SD win. That's not hate, just fact.

 

Mayweather would have liked nothing more than taking on an old De la Hoya, for easy money. Especially when the guy nearly lost to Steve Forbes in his warm up fight.

Sadly, Oscar went into negotiations demanding Floyd took another 70-30 contract, as in the first fight.

Mayweather had to take a tiny share to get the first bout. He sure as hell wasn't doing it for the second, when Oscar was on the way out, and basically a none entity in boxing.

Manny took the fight, as his record purse at the time was about $5 million. Taking a small cut against Oscar was still a huge pay day.

Floyd made $30 million+ in the first fight. And made $40 million against Hatton.

He was in a different place altogethor than Manny

 

Floyd's only boxed 7 times there though. He's not been an active fighter for years, because of injuries.

Takes him 6 months to recover from fighting.

 

i wouldt say much better, but i believe they are better

 

nope he fought drained damaged fighters who just came off big loses

 

I actually sense Pacquiao fans, and the wider boxing public are actually seeing how boxing at the top end works, and are not finding it as easy to snipe at people.

Sorry, when you get to the very top, you earn the right to make money. Guys are over 30 (normally), are getting injured, and are wanting their pay back for risking their ass for bum pay cheques for most of their 20s.

Guys like Floyd and Manny, as PFP number 1, will fight absolutely anyone, as long as they get the right deal.

Margarito coming begging for a fight in 2006, is about as meaningful as Tim Bradley or Paul Williams calling out Pacquiao this year.

2006, Margarito's biggest win was probably Josh Clottey, and he'd got his ass handed to him at 154 by Daniel Santos in recent memory. He lost to Paul Williams soon after, and never really got back into relevance until he upset Cotto.

People talk like the guy was the biggest guy in the sport. He was fighting for $100k, on undercards. And Bob Arum's mythical $8 million offer was probably as real as his tan. Arum was upset at losing Mayweather, and just started talking trash. Trying to hype his guy off Mayweather's back.

Everyone wanted Mayweather to fight Baldomir after Judah. He was the big bad Judah conquerer. Guys like Dan Raphael were saying it was the only fight that mattered there, and this time the $9 million purse was real.

You know, you'll get guys like Tim Bradley and Margarito telling you, you have to face them. The harsh truth in boxing is, you have to earn these pay days.

If Margarito and Tim Bradley want the chance to be in Floyd and Pacquiao's position, they have to risk their ass to the extent that they did to get there.

Sorry, the arguments against Floyd just get weaker and weaker as times go on. Manny's gone to 147, and the big time, and not done anything differently.

You know, G Hernandez, Coralles, Chavez, C Hernandez - these were just the guys to beat at 130 at that time. Guys like a peak Erik Morales, were struggling against Carlos Hernandez 4 years after Mayweather beat him. As I remember, Morales unified the division against Carlos Hernandez, who was IBF champ by then.

Diego Coralles, seriously, one of the most feared fighters ever at 130. He was PFP number 2 for most of his time there. Even at 135, he was 50/50 with Castillo and 50/50 with Casamayor

Anyone remember Coralles knocking out Freitas in 2004? Like one of the most dominant fighters around? Elite, peak PFP top 5 guy. The guy was 35-0, and had been an unbeaten multiple world champion for nearly 6 years.

Castillo anyone? Unbeaten, pfp top 10, peak, hugely feared. After Mayweather beat him twice, his only loss for the next 5 years was Coralles, which he avenged. Knocked over Casamayor, almost straight after Mayweather 2.

The guy only fought Gatti and Corley at 140, as they were literally the only guys who would face him there. Tyszu turned down mayweather at 140, as he was offered $4 million to face Hatton instead. And Hatton flat out refused to fight Mayweather after his shock win, as he wanted to cash in as divisional number 1.

Oscar, linear 154 champ.

When Hatton finally did accept the Mayweather fight, yeah, it was at 147, but Hatton was world champion at both weights, and hadn't done anything more at 140 than he did at 147. You know, bearing in mind the guy entered the ring at 140 weighing about 158 pounds, against Tszyu, I think asking the guy to move up a few pounds is one of the world's great excuses.

Marquez - let's not pretend that Manny would move down to 135 to take this fight. Manny would do exactly the same as Mayweather. Make the guy move up to his own division, or give him a very minor catch weight.

Manny Pacquiao was 146 in ring versus Marquez at super feather. Mayweather was only 150 in ring versus oscar......................Marquez would have gone into the Pacquiao fight with a much bigger weight disadvantage than Mayweather. I doubt Mayweather was more than 1-2 pounds heavier than Pacquiao, when he fought the guy.

Mosely - you know, pfp 2, linear champ, half the boxing world saying Mayweather's ducking the guy. Everyone saying Floyd doesn't fight the best at 147.

Sorry people, Shane was the best in the division until he came against Floyd. Margarito was exposed. Cotto was bashed up, coming off losses, and struggling to even get past Clottey.

All I'm saying is, sooner or later, bored fans are going to start doing the same to Pacquiao's resume.

And the truth is, the actual facts aren't half as interesting as the myths

 

Can you possibly explain how?

Oscar wasn't even ranked in the division. And wasn't ranked at 154 either?!

Cotto was coming off several dodgy displays.

Clottey wasn't even top 5 in the division at the time

 

it's not only the votes but the content of the thread that will tell you why pac's victory over cotto is better than floyd over mosley. and please note that that thread was done right after floyd-mosley and still more people thinks pac over cotto is the better victory.

 

so please give us your top 5 welters when pac fought clottey.

 

the vote is public. people are not as biased as you think when it comes to floyd. they hate him but if you make a poll, many will think that he will beat pacquiao.