1952 Rocky Marciano vs 1960 Cleveland Williams

henry cooper? joe louis? sonny liston? im not saying either of those things. i think you are trying to read between the lines a bit too much. what part of "i think williams was a good and exciting contender" dont you understand?

old fogey says he dosnt remember williams being raved about as championship material, and from what i have veiwed and read of the time i agree with him.

 

Excellent synopsis, Dr. Prince. We can tell clearly from his cranial measurements. Pass the forceps.

 

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I am a genius and an innovator of my practice.

 

old fogey said nobody was that excited at the time about wiliams. I say i agree with him since the evidence is there that he was exciting, found his level then faded away without making too great an impresion on the history of the sport like any other chalengers who come and go.

for wiliams to reamerge years later as a posible victor over ATG's (after being overlooked by the fans who remembered him) I can only asume that with hindsight new fans got re-excited about wiliams potential.
I SAY in light of his "shining moment" being knocked out by liston "why wiliams and not another contender who gave a champion an exciting but short fight".

 

perhaps. however, i'm curious to why williams did not make the same impresion on mainstream fightfans at the time like old fogey?

did they not have acess to the films we have today when they were aired on live tv? or is it because they did not scruitinise them through the eyes of youngsters used to whatching bigger heavyweights from the modern era? do these veiwpoints outrank the guys in suits and hats who sat there whatching live?

 

In fairness, I never took a poll, and they are probably many fans who were very impressed with him.

Williams did not appear on national TV that much, and in the fights I saw, against Curley Lee, an ordinary fighter who was a last minute sub for Sonny Liston and made a close fight of it to the 10th, and Billy Daniels twice, Williams just didn't impress me that much. He certainly was a fine fighter and a fairly heavy puncher, but his ko victims for the most part were not top men except for a greenish Terrell.

 

:goodyes i know he is well thought of by some of those who remembered him. his power was never in dispute. there is no doubt wiliams was dangerous at a level but like you say much of his victims were of the outmatched varitaty in his hometown. of the fights he won I think williams TKO win over metieff was impresive, Alex was knocked down 8 times when the argentine was still tough.

 

I got excited over Mauriello when he beat up Marlon Brando, to be fair though, he did have Tony Galento, and Lee J Cobb helping him.:good

 

We never talk about Mauriello, but he was probably boxing's greatest prodigy. He fought Gus Lesnevich for the lightheavy title when 17 years 10 months old, losing by a disputed split decision. At 18 he drew with Bob Pastor and lost a tight split decision to Jimmy Bivins. He had already banked a 1 round ko over Steve Belloise. Before he was 20, he had defeated Lou Nova and Lee Savold.

He never seemed to progress much beyond this level, though.

 

Lee J Cobb--Cobb's interesting. He was born in 1911. A while back I watched a Hopalong Cassidy film from 1936 in which Cobb appeared. Cobb was just starting out and was 25. He was already bald and looked about fifty playing a railroad president. He played William Holden's father in GOLDEN BOY in 1939.

 

Marciano would probably knock him out in the same way he did to Rex Layne, just it would cap off a great war.

 

thats a prety good level just outside linear championship level, posibly belt holder level in another era.

 

That's my Mcvey. Always rooting for Rocky!