Who else feels '11 Adamek would be tuff as nails for '53 Marciano? I sure as hell do.

I meant homie.

Eh, I got banned last time I called someone a "***"

 

OH...I didn't even think of that interpretation.

 

Sorry but this post leaks of bias, Jaffay. No offence but Adamek is nowhere comparable with Walcott or Charles. There are arguments that Walcott was at his very best in his first figth against Marciano. It still was not enough. Charles fought a brilliant and perhaps his best fight at hw in his first fight against Marciano and was still battered. Both Charles and Marciano are Top20 hws. Adamek isn´t even Top100. I´m an Adamek fan but comparing him to these greats is just hilarious.

Yes, Louis wasn´t as fast as he used to be. But on the other hand he still had his timind, accuracy and tons of experience. His winning streak going into the Marciano fight is far, far superior to anything Adamek did at hw. Again, a comparison is hilarious.

Even old man, shot Grant could catch Adamek and stunned him briefly. Imagine this would have been Marciano. Sorry, there is not one argument in Adamek´s favour in this one. Not one.

Yes, you are. The only comparable fighter to Adamek the Poles had was Michaelchwski - and that one claim we for ourself :tong - and right now I still would rank him higher than Adamek.

I was not talking about his early career fights. Marciano was a constantly improving fighter, Charley Goldman had him constantly work on his weaknesses. When he started to improve his defence he sacrificed a bit of his power in favour of not getting hit so much. He still was a terrific one punch puncher. See the punch he knocked Walcott out in their first fight. He still was a one punch puncher there. The transition towards a grinding down type fighter came a bit later on.

Those were fighters on his way up. Marciano was never seen as something special until he was champ. And even then it needed a while. He was thrown into the lion´s den right from the beginning, facing highly touted prospects like Bobby Quinn and Eddie Ross - who were both more exprienced having double and thrice the number of fights he had - in his first five fights. Those fighters were all fighters he had to go by to become what he became. They were no bums, I´d bet my left ball that half of them are better than a shot Michael Grant.

Grant doesn´t even punch half as hard as Marciano. How many punches a round averaged Grant? Marciano averaged 80-100 and he upped his output in the latter stages of a fight. If Adamekd survives until the late rounds - which I highly doubt - and tires he is dead meat. That´s as sure as day and night.

Thank you. :happy

Again: Thank you.

 

I thought it was terrible but I tried.

 

There is so much wrong with just this paragraph that I don't know where to begin. I'll just say this. There's zero way Adamek is as good as Walcott, nor as technical as Charles. His style is not more beneficial and he won't have more success than these men trying to out-box Marciano. He would get brutalized.

 

Michalczewski in his late fights fought for Poland, he even had one fight in Poland :yep Part of the people in Poland say that Michalczewski sold his nationality, when he decided to box as a German citizen. However the more clever people disagree. Adamek himself says that if he were in Michalczewski's skin in that time he would do the same :good

I have nothing against ranking Michalczewski over Adamek, however I rank Tomasz higher. Its mainly because Tiger fought in Germany only and was protected during most of his career (what is normal thing in boxing though). Adamek on the other hand took much bigger risk by fighting in the US and fighting bigger guys.

What is funny that Michalczewski even at his absolute peak wasnt as half popular in Poland as Golota

 

Charles never was the same after Baroudi, and he wasn't the same fighter later on. Also for me Walcott was at his best in late 40's when he fought Louis. I agree that they both were at the top of their game when they fought Marciano but few years back their game was higher.

I don't consider older versions of JJW and Ez as much better than 2010 Adamek if we are talking about difficulty as him as a rival and h2h. They are different fighters but dangerous in a different way. I think that Adamek has all the tools to beat Rocky - speed, jab, offensive arsenal, cleverness, footwork and chin.

Be real, Marciano was slow. His rivals dared to brawl with him as they often were bigger but not stronger, and that was their mistakes. There were no super heavies back then and it's not Marciano's fault that the 50's was like that. He fought the best out there and I evaluate fighter by the standards and era that he fought so I rank Rocky high. But H2H is different story and you should put your personal likes and look at the facts. Marciano never fought skilled and fast 220 pounder with chin and durability. Adamek never fought a guy like Marciano but he showed that he can handle pressure fight smart and take a punch.

 

Does this allow us to claim Adamek too?

We´ve got already your best footballers, might just as well take your best boxers too.

 

-I love that myth. Charles really looked like he was holding back when he was mauling fighters like Rex Layne. Their 51 meeting is as savage a beating as I've ever seen in the ring.

-Well you are certainly welcome to your opinion. If you've watched the footage and feel that Adamek is a smarter superior technician and athlete than Walcott and Charles....I mean...your kind of hopeless, believe what you want.

-Ok, if you feel Louis, Walcott, Charles, Mathews, LaStarza, and Moore were attempting to physically overwhelm Maricano and not box him.....wow. **** opinions, you are utterly clueless. Layne comes to mind as one of the few fighters I've seen on film, try to muscle and freely brawl with Marciano.

 

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Forget about Klose and Podolski, they are good but not great. You may keep them You stole us our best footballer ever (however widely forgotten :-() ERNEST WILIMOWSKI.

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is Walcott boxing Marciano or brawling? If his not brawling then I don't know what that terms mean.

 

I never said that. I said that overall Adamek isn't much worse than past prime Walcott and Charles and as dangerous but with different style.

 

Congrautlations, you watched the first minute of the fight!!!!!

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Charles going into the Maricano fights.... educate yourself boy..Adamek doesn't have **** on the Cobra from 54, few do.

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Adamek has got skills...but comparing him to 54 Charles or World Champion Walcott? Please..

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Just look at Jersey Joe's feints and upper body movement against Marciano, Charles, and Louis...


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