Classics that never happened

Azumah Nelson would of beat the **** out of Barry, even Barry himself has said in the past (as recently as this year in Boxing Monthly) that Nelson was too good for him .

 

Tommy Ryan vs Barbados Joe Walcott.

I will continue to make my pitch untill this fight is made.

 

Marvellous Marvin Hagler Vs Sugar Ray Leonard - 1982

that would of been amazing to watch

 

Vlad V Vitali
Norton V Frazier
Benn V Toney
Eubank V RJonesjunior
Marciano V Liston
Tyson V Tua

 

John Verderosa vs Hector Camacho.

 

It might not be considered long enough ago to be considered a potentially classic match-up. But I struggle to understand why Judah - Mosley never at some point (2005 when Zab was undisputed WW champ would seem obvious) happened.

 

im not saying he wouldnt have. Im merely stating the indisputable fact that he relinquished the title when McGuigan won the eliminater to fight him

 

your right in every point here exept 1. He was ahead on at least 2 if not the 3 cards going into the 15th round. Hardly what you call a hammering. Plus it was 'Ring' fight of the year, again hardly a hammering

 

who cares it was'nt a big fight at that time no one even knew who Nelson was, it was from 1985 onwards when the fight was hot and in demand, and Azumah wanted it bad.

 

you cant have it both ways.Its hardly McGuigans fault. He had his chance and didnt take it. Im not saying if he was right or wrong. As for saying that no-one knew who Nelson was, then why did they not know who he was?.If you (not you personally) followed the sport back then, then you would, or should, have known who he was. Also it wasnt much more than a year between the eliminator and Nelsons calling out of McGuigan, which was purely because it was the biggest payday out there for him, and why not? thats what hes in the game for. If he wanted to fight him to prove he was the better fighter then he had his chance and didnt take it. Dont get me wrong, i think Nelson was a helluva fighter, its just i think McGuigan always gets the **** end of the stick over this

 

But nobody did no who he was, it was the Sanchez fight that made him, and he was a unknown going into that, not even boxing writers knew who he was, let alone fans.

as I said who cares if Nelson did'nt take it at that time, McGuigan was'nt well known outside of Ireland and the UK time,

it was when McGuigan won the title that everyone wanted to see the fight, and thats when Nelson was mad for it.

 

holy v lewis in 1994 / 95 (holy got beat by moorer)
dlh v tszyu (kostya got beat by phillips)
tito v mosley 2005 (mosley got beat by wright)
tito v terry norris (was weeks away in 1997 before norris left king for arum)
dlh v norris (was slated for 98 but norris got beat by mullens)

(Norris was on the slide around 1997 so they probably wouldnt of been great fights but yer never know what a big money fight can do for a guy on the slide. look evander holyfield in 1996)

 

The fight between Dempsey and Wills was never made. Period. Rickard made the pretence of making the fight but never actually had even a fight contract made up. Floyd Fitzsimmons, arguably the best promoter in the midwest and close friend of Dempsey's signed the fighters and Dempsey refused to go through with it when Floyd missed an early pay date on part of Dempsey's purse. So two men dearly close to Dempsey half ass arranged a fight that they knew would never take place. Big deal. Its easy for Dempsey to sign for a fight he knows isnt going to happen.

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the world was a completely different place back then - thing's happened for reason's that none of us can really comprehend - we really don't know how people were really thinking in those days - all the books I read - there's generally no mention of Wills particularly -almost like it was neither here nor there?? I don't know really because I wasn't around in those days so I don't know the general thoughts of the man in the street at the time"

No mention of Wills??? What books are you reading??? We have no idea what people thought? Grab some newspapers for chirssakes!!! In 1919 when Dempsey won the title Wills was already the frontrunner for him. Period. From that time until Dempsey lost his title in 1926 Wills was considered UNIVERSALLY his number one contender and greatest challenge. Period, end of story. That is an indisputable fact. Dont act like nobody was talking about that fight or Wills because everyone who followed the sport knew of him, knew who he was, and what kind of threat he posed.
Promoters from Mexico to Canada, and California to New York would have LOVED to have signed that fight and tried. In the mid twenties the New York Daily News conducted a nationwide poll to find Dempsey's number one contender (as if they really needed to look, everyone already knew it was Wills). Wills was nominated by a landslide, none of the other contestants (and you could write in anyone you wanted) even came close to the numbers that were generated in support of his claim.
The idea that he was some unknown, or unworthy, or would have been KOd so quickly it didnt matter if he got a shot or not is either one of two unforgivable things: Racism, or outright ignorance.
Do you seriously want to argue now that Miske, Brennan (who was manhandled in preparation for his title shot against Dempsey by Kid Norfolk who Wills nearly decapitated a year later), Carpentier, Gibbons and Firpo, over seven years deserved to be ahead of Wills, and/or posed a greater threat than Wills? GTFO!
As stated above, and you can go back and check these facts since you admit not being in possession of them: Promoters all across this country and several others were salivating at putting on that match and the numbers it would have generated. Yet somehow, a guy and his management, who supposedly had supreme confidence in his abilities to win that fight in short order, failed to ever step up to the plate. Like I said if they ACTUALLY believed as you they would have done it and rushed to do it.
People today get tired of Mayweather ducking his greatest challenges and going on vacation when negotiations are opening for a big fight. Go back and read through seven years of coverage on Dempsey and tell me how he compares because you will see a yellow streak a mile wide if you have any distaste at all for what Mayweather does. Dempsey went on vacation every time Wills was mentioned as an opponent and sometimes stayed on vacation for a year or more, THREE at the tail end of his career during his PRIME. But he was just on vacation RIIIIIIGHt?

 

Klompton 1, Rocky 0

 

Good choice...:good

MR.BILL