Where is Wlad on the ATG heavyweight list right now?

i've seen lists on here where quarry is ranked above him. quarry was a good fighter and fought in a talent rich era but he should not be ranked above wlad in my opinion

 

Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes & Mike Tyson all ruled weak Heavyweight divisions. :deal THat's not even counted the old timers that frequently fought lackluster opposition....................

 

Anybody that ranks Jerry Quarry above Wladimir doesn't know **** about boxing, nor do they have any common sense.

 

Doofus,

You need to work on your reading comprehension. The point has apparently flown over your head. Farve, Ryan, Clemens, etc., are undoubtedly exceptionally talented so they are respected and revered. They have competed against the best competition on the planet so that their accomplishments cannot be denied.

The country has put them on a pedestal for their performances.

The Klitschkos, on the other hand, are competing against "C" class athletes - many in horrible condition and no one can deny this reality - well, unless you can't judge or recognize the athleticism that exists elsewhere but is relatively absent from professional heavyweight boxing today.

The competition you face makes all the difference in assessing athletic accomplishment.

Consequenty, no one over here gives a damn about the Klitschkos and no one is demanding to see them perform.


The people watched and they decided they weren't seeing anything special - and so, that's it. OVER.

 

Quiet idiot .. find a post where I say anything about Haye being exceptional.atsch

How ****ing stupid are you?

My posts note how the heavyweight division is so poor that many ex-cruisers have been able to move up in an era of larger and larger athletes.

 

That is almost unbelievable. Some people actually think Jerry Quarry would have a ghost of a chance against a giant athletic, powerpunching, boxing technician like Wlad Klitschko. I liked Quarry a lot. He grew up in poverty and developed great strength from picking fruit for 12 hour days and other arduous labor as a kid to support his family. Wlad, however would end the fight early. Quarry was a notorious bleeder and his short arms and small stature would allow Wlad to toy with him at distance and move in for the kill later in the fight.

 

Listen, I understand your stupidity. There is a lot of that around. Even your perspective on the country's condition is common but ignorant. I was at the top accounting firm in the world (Arthur Andersen). I was there for Drexel Burnham Lambert's fall and was an accountant at the time of the market's '87 crash. I was later at PWC. I finished up as a controller I retired in my early 30s and have been an equities trader since the early 90s. Your understanding and ability to evaluate Obama's qualifications compared to all the presidents we've had is obviously suspect to these eyes. I have been in these (financial) markets for nearly twenty years now and have been mostly on the right side of things (as some have) anticipating the frailties of the system and its lack of attention to the greater good while accentuating the opportunity for personal benefit.

I was in gold at $340 an ounce. I was short (a bit too early) the broad market from late -2006. You should actually be happy that someone is in office that at least has a partial interest in the circumstances of the many. That is a subtle difference than what has been there for nearly the entirety of the past.

I never believed he could make the kind of changes the country requires - the vested interests are too obvious and entrenched by time - and said so. However, the joke is that those least benefited by the system can't identify why they are in their predicament nor who is actually to blame. You are part of a very large and rather foolish group. Inevitably the many look for scapegoats and find enemies in those facing exactly the same economic situation or predicament. It was all so predictable for those better positioned with better access to information - the risks were never that hard to see and could never be ignored. Yet, folks like you think that the root of these problems began just a few years ago - :rofl.

I can assure you that the problems facing the country will not be easily solved either by anyone including someone with the skin color you find must approvable.

 

In the past 25 years, you cannot prove that this is the case in boxing. The biggest draws in this country (as proven by PPV buys and ratings) don't include a single white fighter as the headliner. America doesn't care if a white fighter does well or if they don't.

In the instances when there is a world class/championship level white fighter, they don't do great numbers (Vitali-Arreola the notable exceptionb). Some people automatically accept that the white guy's overhyped and has this massive promotional support to capitalize on white America's hidden urge to see white guys win, but the Emperor has no clothes here- the ratings just don't match up with what they'd be if there actually was pent up demand from the U.S. public for a white champion. Yet people act like all white people are simply sitting on pins and needles, waiting to blow up at the first sign that they win.

Well, there's a good number of white champs out there now. I've seen nothing to say many people even noticed, let alone celebrated. Yet, the myth that a white high level boxer is more guaranteed money and would achieve better ratings in the US than a similarly skilled black, latino, or asian fighter keeps perpetuating itself.

 

Actually this is a pretty intelligent post but again you make assumptions. I, who you don't know look for scapegoats because I'm facing the same economic situation. Oh, I get it. Silly me. I'm a poor redneck who is taking his frustration out on others of different colors. God, you are a liberal, aren't you? Dude, at 25 I figured out the best way to be economically independent in my forties was to invest in high dividend paying, high quality companies with at least a 20 year history of increasing their dividend payout at least once per annum. One then diversifies one's portfolio across all sectors of the economy to protect oneself from sudden, inevitable market downward corrections as witnessed in 2008. Always reinvest dividend income so as to continue to purchase high quality stock and focus on advancing your career. A winning combination for long-term financial independence. Anyway, this is not a political discussion site but indeed a boxing forum. You pissed me off because you diminished my man Wlad based solely on issues revolving around skin color or so it seemed to me. Perhaps I was wrong but Wlad in my eyes is an awesome boxer and more importantly a terrific role model for youth including american kids. They need to see more of the Klitschko brothers and less of foul mouthed thuggish wannabes like David Haye and Floyd Mayweather.

 

What do you actually think you are saying?

Can you name a dominant highly exceptional "white" fighter of the past twenty five years in America? [Or, even elsewhere?]

I think you'll find your answer right there.

Based upon representing 66+% of the entire population - with this group having the highest educational and related income level within the country - this translates into the largest marginal, aggregate, and nominal spending capability for sport entertainment than any other segment of this country or country's population by FAR. If this group supports an entertainer, a band, a tv show, a movie, a consumer device, software, video game, a sport, an athlete, etc., etc., then there is no doubt what the numbers will reflect.

The facts demonstrate that within boxing - there hasn't been a dominant exceptional white athlete that has captivated the country - NOT that it is impossible for one to succeed and be revered. In fact, the numbers make it obvious that a high level performer will be lauded. We see Tom Brady is now the top paid athlete in what has replaced baseball as America's true top sport past time. We know that old Bret Favre receives god-like appreciation for his able handling of the QB position.

 

I don't have any problem with your desire to see the Klitschkos receive greater US acclaim. I too think they seem like really nice guys and that attribute is not a detriment.

But, you are once again picking what you want to hear and ignoring what you do not wish to emphasize.

Fighters calling out other fighters is a pretty old calling. Whether it is accomplished in a fashion you deem appropriate or crosses the line is a rather capricious determination.

I can assure you that Floyd's expressions are without influence and the sport inconsequential to America's youth. And, I live in Vegas and run into Floyd periodically at the Mercedes dealership, 24 Hour Fitness, even Denny's (lol). He isn't affecting the country's youth in any fashion. He is irrelevant - specifically or additionally because the sport has been in a long multi-generational decline.

David Haye is a complete COMPLETE unknown in the US. So, he is even less than irrelevant - if that were possible.

You seem to believe the problems with the US are attributable to the examples from its athletes. I would suggest that that attribution is misguided and tertiary at best. The examples that are needed for America's youth need to come from an equitable system - an equitable world - and the desire for one from those in a position to affect change..

 

Fine, as long as that equitable system doesn't become so paternalistic and redistributionary as to destroy incentive. Healthy competition in business, small, medium or large, in life and in the sport we love, boxing is necessary for economic and personal growth. That doesn't mean everybody wins. Life can be cruel that way and certainly government has its place at helping to level the playing field. Maybe your mission is to help level that field but it will never be even. For every Bill Gates there are thousands who want to just sit back and smell the roses. Anyhow, you seem like an altruistic dude and i don't want to attack you for that.

 

By your definition? Of course I can't. The problem with dominant white fighters is that they lack the essential pigment level to earn your coveted "highly exceptional" level.