Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko

LOL, the classic section, the last bastion of the great black hope or white hope with the unbeatable Marciano..............j/k.

So whats Fraziers record again in his signature fight, lol, yeah I thought so, he won ONE ****ing fight, thats right , one ****ing fight against a rusty Ali. No Ali forced exile no Frazier. Fact. How many times was he ko'ed out of the five, lol, twice in a completey uncompetitive fashion ? Yeah I thought so. Did he ever dominate or clean out the division, were there ever top fighters who avoided him despite it would get them a title shot.......I rest my case.

Wlad by murder, Frazier pressure style would make him take punishment he has seen never before, no way in hell is he going to take the shots Brewster took and that WK is leaps and bounds better now.

WK is much faster than the Mummy, throws ACCURATE laser shots unlike the Mummy and his jab alone will make you see doublevision after taken a few. WK will tie him up on the inside and punish him on his way in......................Peter does not have a lot going for him but the man is as strong as a ox and WK almost toyed with him in the wrestling matches and onces Frazier gets octupussed his strengh will get sapped even more.

No disrespect to Joe but the only shortish Hwy who would beat WK is Tyson anf then it would not be a cake walk either.

 

Tyson does a 1st round demolition job over WK.

 

I don't think Wladimir's stamina holds up when fighting a pace forced upon him. I'd look for Frazier to partially neutralize that great jab of Wladimir's with his bob-and-weave, bang that left hook to the body and wait for Wlad's legs to go wobbly.

Wlad is a heavyweight Hearns when it comes to physical tools. Good handspeed, great accuracy, better jab than Tommy and a worse right hand (though no slouch), but a weak chin and dreadful legs (when hurt).

I'd make Frazier a good favorite. Wlad could bomb him out early, but he could be bombed out trying, and with his careful disposition I don't think it's a likely scenario. Frazier can maintain a higher pace for longer than Wlad, and has the tools to force it on him.

I think Wlad would be hell for Larry Holmes, though.

 

Wow, this isn't a babbling, incoherent or delusional train wreck of a comment at all.

 

All you say is true but you are talking like Fraizer had beard that good. Wlad is a huge puncher. MUCH bigger than anyone Fraizer fought besides Foreman. We all know how it ended for him.

 

The more I think about that the more I think that´s true. Tyson has a big chance to blitz him. If he doesn´t he loses though.

 

First of all, I've answered the question in this thread many times over and my answer hasn't changed. Why do people consistently mention the Foreman fight when discussing Frazier against any bigger men? Foreman will tell you himself that he was lucky not to have faced the same fighter from 1968 - FOTC. Loads of people here will say George is generously humble, terribly forgetful and a bit crazy with his opinions. Sometimes I have to agree because I don't share the same opinion as Foreman in praise of Lennox Lewis as the GOAT heavyweight above Ali, Louis, Johnson and Marciano. However, to write off Frazier against either Klitschko is wrong IMO.

Neither brother has faced a fighter that brings the kind of pressure and body attack, and I highly doubt they would blast Frazier out in two rounds. I will concede that both Klitschko's are more than capable of hurting Joe early and based on their size, reach and atheletic gifts, they could stop Joe when he's most vulnerable, the early rounds. However, I'm talking about the prime version of Joe, not the overweight, out-of-shape version that foolishly underestimated George's power and boxing skills as well as not giving him the respect of winning the heavyweight gold medal like he did. I wouldn't bet on either Klitschko making it out of the 7th round against prime Joe Frazier. Flip a coin to see whether Vitaly or Wladimir lasts longer.

By the way, I don't think anyone else gets up off the floor six times in two rounds against George Foreman. Neither Klitschko brother has that kind of toughness or heart. All this talk about Frazier having no chin is rubbish. He's got more chin than both brothers, one of which got KO'ed by the paperweight shots from Chris Byrd.

 

I saw Peter's strategy and immediately started thinking of Frazier. I want to pick Frazier in this but my head tells me the size disparity is just too much to overcome. What's needed is for a guy Peter's size to have the agility, heart, and tenacity to fight a "smokin Joe" fight. Peter doesn't have the intangibles, and Joe doesn't have the size.

 

he made muhammad ali miss with more jabs than any other fighter in history

 

past fighters weren't unbeatable. more of them however were far better schooled.

it ain't a big secret that boxing overall, and especially the HW division, regressed in technical skills.

with the exception of FMJ, Pac, and B-Hop, the crop of fighters this decade don't measure up to the past greats

 

Two things to address.

Which what Peter does is the first two rounds. He just doesn't have the coordination to follow up, nor the skill-set or speed. And he was clueless on the inside. Frazier is the best in-fighter at HW. Mendoza says Frazier defense is bad, but what does he think of Peter's? The bottom line is Frazier defense is leagues better and faster than Peter and he made Wlad look predictable and bad by making him miss so often.

And let's not act like Peter has the best chin ever either. Didn't McCline drop him 3 times or something?

 

I agree with what you're saying here. I won't argue too hard against someone who tips Frazier, but picking him to win early and easy is ignoring 2 things: that Wlad's a tough fight for him from a size/power/skill perspective, and that Frazier's own career shows he never knocked out good big men early or easy.