Why Wlad will never be considered even a great heavyweight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MrWonderful, Sep 14, 2010.


  1. MrWonderful

    MrWonderful Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad’s like a bad used car.

    You’ve got a lot of passionate salesmen, trying to sell it the best they can, but nobodies buying it. As we all know it’s a heap of junk, that’s just been given a nice paint job.

    The highlight of Wlad’s last 10 defences, is probably beating a couple of grade D Russians, like Chagaev and Igbramovic, who wouldn’t even last 12 rounds with Haye or Adamek. Two overblown Crusierweights.

    That’s how awful the division is. A small cruiserweight would probably go into any fight on Wlad’s resume as a favourite.

    The fact that David Haye finds himself as the most known fighter in the division, and a legitimate world champion, and top 3 ranked fighters, after 2 real fights at the division tells you everything.

    2003-2004, the division was not great, but it was a heck of a lot stronger than it is now. Guys like Corrie Sanders, who destroyed Wlad, weren’t even ranked in the top 15 of the division back then. If he was fighting now, he’d be a definite top 2-3 world champion.

    2000-2005, Wlad struggled, when there were more decent heavyweights about.

    His great legacy is riding that era out, refusing to rematch anyone who beat him, or pushed him hard, so he can now sit at the top, and just notch up defences against a load of overmatched, nobodies.

    Wlad’s answer to a hard fight, when the division was a bit tougher, was let Vitali deal with it.

    Refusing to rematch Sanders was criminal. As was refusing to rematch Peters. Waiting 5 years, until the guy’s a nobody in the division, to go back to it.

    I’m not saying Wlad’s not good at beating up hopeless contenders, but take it how it is.

    David Haye and Adamek have come into that division, and knocked over some of the top contenders there, very easily.

    Guy’s comparing Wlad to guys like Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, Holmes, just on the basis principle that he’s made a lot of defences, is just plain insulting.

    He wouldn’t last 2 minutes, in an era, where he actually had to defend these belts against tough guys week in, week out. As you saw with Corrie Sanders.

    The 1990s era, and even 2000-2005 was light years from what you see today.

    As I said, ask yourself, who in the heavyweight division at the minute, other than Wlad and Vitali would you even put money on to beat Adamek or Haye?

    I can’t think of anyone who’d even give Haye a tough fight, other than the two K brothers, and they refuse to fight each other.

    Sorry – it’s a losing battle to try to claime Wlad Klitschko aint anyone but a guy who just struggled against the better fighters he’s faced, and made a nice comeback, knocking over divisional pansies


    The guy's Wlad calls opponents, wouldn't go 2 rounds with Lennox Lewis in the 1990s. They wouldn't even get a title shot, as they'd be ranked about 50th in the world. They'd be fighting in clubs.



    Never mind stretching them out to 10-11 round fights
     
  2. The Clown

    The Clown Active Member Full Member

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    Sorry mate, but you don´t know **** about boxing and your statements are simply awful. Really look for another sport. Are you british?

    Klitschko is on the best way to be an ATG. And the 2010 version is a extremely dangerous threat to any fighter in any era.

    Get over it. The reality is against you.
     
  3. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    terrible overall comp

    knocked out by fighters of a very mediocre quality

    no inside game

    no uppercut

    no sustained combinations

    final destination
     
  4. MrWonderful

    MrWonderful Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There are lots of All Time Greats that have Ruslan Chagaev as there best ever win, isn't there................
     
  5. MrWonderful

    MrWonderful Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's just basic facts. Wlad lost to the best fighter he ever faced, never rematched him, and his best career win will probably go down as Ruslan Chagaev.

    A fighter who probably wouldn't have even been ranked in the top 50 in even Lennox Lewis's era. Let alone Alis
     
  6. MrWonderful

    MrWonderful Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The same Chagaev, who only beat John Ruiz on a split decision........
     
  7. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You white yanks gonna be denegerated before you got decent Athlete, boxer.:yep
     
  8. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    protip: i'm not white :hey
     
  9. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Both Chagaev and Ibragimov at there best would beat Adamek. No doubt in my mind.

    I stopped there. In fact, I have no idea why I even clicked on this.

    Probably just to call you a twat.

    Twat.
     
  10. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    Wlad has more wins against Chagaev then anyone else in the history of the sport. :good

    What's your point?
     
  11. irishdjc33

    irishdjc33 Active Member Full Member

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    Wlad has beat down (along with Vitali) most/all of the real HW competition. Therefore these cruisers were allowed to walk right in. There was no one left....

    Movie fans in the punisher starring Dolph Lundgren it was mentioned how the Yakuza were able to walk right in because the punisher had weakened the established crime families.

    Same thing here. Wlad Vitali destroy all credible competion over the last 5 years opening doors for any newcomer to throw their hat in the ring.

    Imagine what the scene would be like if they weren't around...you would have all these fighters on an even playing field having "great fights" and there would be competition at the HW division and it would be saved. However Wlad and Vitali are so much better than anyone else they make them all look like bums.

    Wlad is twice the fighter he is today then when he lost to sanders...enough...he would whip anyone in the HW scene today and win/provide a difficult challenge against anyone in history...for that reason- top 5 ATG!!!!
     
  12. MrWonderful

    MrWonderful Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We just don't get excited about a Russian, making a career knocking out club fighters.
     
  13. MrWonderful

    MrWonderful Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chagaev got his ass handed to him by John Ruiz. Did you see what Haye did to the same guy!?
     
  14. The Clown

    The Clown Active Member Full Member

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    I give a **** about british inferiority complexes. The reality shows every neutral boxing fan who knows a little bit about the sport, that Klitschko is on the best way to ATG-status. And haters like you cannot prevent it. Get over it.
     
  15. irishdjc33

    irishdjc33 Active Member Full Member

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