Joe Frazier vs. Wladimir Klitschko

So Wlad gets credit for Botha but Tyson doesn't?
How objective.

1. Tucker > Chambers: Better wins and he's the better fighter. Chambers would have actually fit with the 80s bunch but would have been overshadowed by the more talented bunch of the group.

2. Golota > Peter: Golota is a mental midget but has far more talent than Peter. Peter would not be competitive with Bowe or Byrd. Peter has greater wins but Golota is a better fighter.

3. Ruddock > Botha: Ruddock was far more dangerous than Botha and far more talented. Incidentally Tyson beat a better version of Botha than Wlad or Lewis. Oddly, you didn't mention him.

4. Bruno > Rahman: Rahman was never good to begin with. Bruno is better schooled than Rahman and has better power. Rahman may have stopped Lewis via 1 punch KO; but Bruno was beating a young and hungry Lewis and was ahead on the cards before Lewis stopped him.

5. Holmes > Mercer: This cannot be disputed even if it suits your agenda. Holmes was always a better fighter.

6. Spinks > Chagaev: Spinks has better win's at HW. Spinks was undefeated at LHW in a deep division and was undefeated at HW at the time he fought Tyson. In case you have issues with Spinks being a blown up HW? Lets look at Adamek is doing at HW. First lets remember that he lost to Dawson in a subpar LHW Division and is now beating up guys like Arreola in a pathetic HW division.

7. Stewart < Byrd: No argument there.

8. Berbick > Schulz: Better accomplished, better fighter.

9. Tubbs > Thompson: Tubbs despite his physique was surprisingly fast and was very skilled. Can't say the same about Thompson.

10. Thomas > Ibragimov: Pinklon Thomas was once the heir apparent to Larry Holmes. He beat better fighters than Sultan and on film appears to be the better fighter. His inability to put away an old Holyfield is a stain on his record.

11. Mathis jr. < Brewster: Brewster is better.

12. Smith > Brock (see applicable thread)
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7747231

13. C. Williams > Barrett: Carl Williams was a terrific fighter. Sucker for the left hook but was nonetheless more talented than 2 Gunz.

14. Tillman < McCline: Jameel is better.

15. Biggs > Austin: Ray Austin is a Jose Ribalta level fighter. Tyrell Biggs has far more talent. This is a guy who because of Mike Tyson was never going to be champ but if he was born into this current era he'd be a top contender. In fact he'd beat: Adamek, Barrett, Arreola, Povetkin and quite possibly give Haye a good fight.

Now I picked the order you had it in and Tyson's clearly came out better. You haven't watched any Tyson opponents independent on their fight with Tyson because if you did you would reverse your position.

:deal