Frazier beats Wlad...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by HENDO, Sep 17, 2010.


  1. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The reason why Wlad doesn't commit to his power is because he has a serious flaw with his chin.

    You're like the tin man saying, "If only I had a heart..."

    When Wlad commited more, he got knocked out. He obviously lacks confidence in his chin.

    And while I agree that Wlad is a very hard hitting heavyweight, although I disagree with Steward on his footwork, Wlad doesn't have the TOOLS necessary to beat Frazier.

    Power alone is not enough. You need a vessel to deliver that power.

    In a perfect world where Wlad had everything, he would be the best fighter of all time, but he doesn't have everything, and that's what people need to realize. You can't just say, well "IF he had this....or IF he changed his style....or IF he did this..."

    That's unrealistic.
     
  2. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    He hasn't really faced a great one though.
     
  3. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe won Gold at the 1964 Olympics , fought in the greatest era of heavyweight boxing. Beat 3 all time greats and was linear champion for two years.

    Wlad has yet to face the competition to even regard himself as a true great champion. Wlad is a long long way from the cloth Joe was cut from, a very long way.
     
  4. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is all nonsense.

    Wlad does throw his punches straighter than Foreman, and he does choose to box more rather than pursue his opponent or remain relatively stationary, but that doesn't mean he matches up the same way against Foreman's opponent than Foreman himself does.

    He doesn't have the same style as Foreman.

    Wlad simply lacks the arsenal and confidence in his chin to dispose of Frazier the way that Foreman did.

    And honestly, I don't think Wlad fights like Lewis. Yes, it's true they are both technically proficient fighters, that have big right hands and solid jabs, but Lewis was far more confident and definitely commited to uppercuts and early far more often.

    Not to mention the fact that he looked good when the threw them and he threw them at the right time, meaning they were accurate.

    When Wlad throws uppercuts, he throws them like an amateur which is likely why he misses with almost every single one. It was even worse when he threw them against Ibriganov. It was terrible in fact.

    Lewis is also more willing to fight if he has to and it's because while he has had issues with his chin in the past, he's far more confident in it and will press the fight if necessary.

    And Klitschko was knocked around the ring in the first fight against relatively short Peter, and knocked out by Lamon Brewster who isn't short, but isn't exactly tall either.

    I'm not sure exactly what your issue with Frazier's height is here considering those circumstances.
     
  5. Big_Bill_Bronzy

    Big_Bill_Bronzy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And my wife :deal
     
  6. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    Alright, maybe I wouldn't bet the house but I'd drop a fair amount of cash that Wlad beats Joe. :deal
     
  7. philcore

    philcore PHILCORE Full Member

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    Hendo the way you talk as if it is some sure thing that Frazier whoops Wlad I can only think you are of short stature and have an inferiority complex to go with it. Now, Frazier is a beast of a man. Hes a flat out killer and an atg but Wlad is equally if not more skilled and has physical advantages over Joe that are virtually insurmountable. I would bet if Joe were fighting today he would have recognized this and fought at least a good portion of his career as a cruiserweight. He could do all of the bobbing and weaving he wanted but when he started getting tagged with Wlads jab, and its a game changer, his enthusiasm to engage and apply the pressure that people like to claim Wlad fears so much would lessen quickly and dramatically. Wlad doesnt throw the uppercut because he doesnt have to. His recipe of jabbing and right hands seems to be working just fine at the moment. Its not a matter of who the better fighter is p4p, its more of a matter of one man being equally skilled but physically superior to the other. Dont even come with some David Haye **** either.
     
  8. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    That sounds fair.

    Would you give him more of a chance than the HW's of today?
     
  9. COLD-HARD-TRUTH

    COLD-HARD-TRUTH Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm by know means a fan of WK's boring ass....but he is way to big and uses his height way to well for the 5'9 Frazier. Just a total mismatch because of the huge size differential. Ali might have had a better chance because of his height, movement and boxing ability...the problem is, Vlad isn't a better fighter than Frazier or any of the old time greats at Heavyweight...he's just so much bigger than these guys and to his credit, Steward has taught him how to really use his height. The only guys I see beating WK prime for prime are Lennox, Tyson and Foreman.
     
  10. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He doesn't have to because his opponents aren't very good, unless you're telling me that for some reason heavyweight boxing is the only division in history where all you need is 2 punches to dominate everybody in heavyweight boxing history.

    Because Lennox didn't need the uppercuts that were vital to beating a faded Tyson.

    So I can only assume Wlad wouldn't either. Because people here assume that Chagaev is like Tyson.

    So obviously Wlad only needs a jab and that's all, even if they compare him to Foreman in the sense that he would beat Frazier predicated on his size and power, despite the fact that uppercuts were absolutely ESSENTIAL and beating Frazier.

    Yet for some reason, nobody addresses this point.

    You see, the first statement in your post describes your knowledge to a T.

    You don't know **** about boxing.
     
  11. exnihilo

    exnihilo Karma Disaster Full Member

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    great post, thank you for expressing most of my thoughts.
     
  12. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not that Frazier. I'm talking about the 5'11'' 1/2 Frazier that fought Ali 3 times.

    You know, the guy that's the same height as Tyson.
     
  13. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So not only are you obsessing over me and what my height may or may not be, but your seem like you're also obsessed with defending Klitschko even if you have to go the gay route to do it.

    If that's not the sign of a gay homosexual, I don't know what is.
     
  14. exnihilo

    exnihilo Karma Disaster Full Member

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    you ever been at sexual therapist hendo? i would insist you should pay a visit. i only care for you friend. you sound like a latent homosexual guy (no homo, of course).
     
  15. philcore

    philcore PHILCORE Full Member

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    Why the **** do you endlessly compare Foreman to Wlad? They both use the tools they have to accomplish the task at hand. Georges uppercut wouldnt be ESSENTIAL for Wlad to beat Joe, hes not George for ****s sake! If i dont know **** about boxing you must be a complete idiot because anyone but a moron can recognize the fact that a good big man beats a good small man a vast majority of the time.