greater Middleweight, Greb or SRR?

So his work up to '52 at middleweight (which would include the loss to Turpin, mind you) beats that of Hagler or Greb or Monzon over the span of their careers? Hopkins?

 

No, and you know that I never said that, this is not purely resume, Hd 2 Hd is a major factor in my rating.

And Hd 2 Hd is what my debate with you has been about.

 

Well, in head-to-head he fares perhaps even worse, again considering his losses to the various claimants to the title during his years at 160. My point is only furthered there. Several guys ate him up there. He may have turned the tables in rematches, but he also suffered numerous losses.

 

he suffered 2 losse's in his prime years to middleweights, his other losse's were after a 3 year retirement at the age 36 onwards and even then they were competive fights,

look I don't mind you using the ( LaMotta and Turpin fights as their fair points) but your talking out your ass when you use fights where he was 36 and 40 years old and act like they have any relevance as to how he'd fair in Hd 2 Hd match ups,

Not being smart, but it just makes you look like a boxrec warrior.

 

Christ......we're gonna get to that then. **** it, have your opinion.

 

Look, lets leave at that for now, there's no point getting into an argument over it,

I'll discuss more about it, with you another time, is that alright with you ?.

 

So sugarsean is SRR unbeatable at Middleweight?

 

Robinson's work at middleweight pre-championship reign is underrated.

 

Greb for sure, but SRR makes a good case.

 

You sure,,,the Ali of the Berbick bout doesn't figure into whether he was one of the top two heavies in any manner, not the Evangelista or any other sub-par bout. The Greb of the two Flower losses would not likely hold a candle to the Robinson of his early Middle title holding based on the films of Tiger,,,and that has no bearing either. Were talking prime for prime, not deminished states when many other welters and middles likely would have bested both of them. Ezzard Charles isn't compared to other heavies based on his long string of losses at the end of his career, those are moot points, but when he was still a complete fighter. The Turpin loss and win would seem to be close enough to Robbys middle best to include though,,,,,but being out of his best shape and being ko'd twice by lesser likes is pretty much discounted for Lenox Lewis since he dispatched both in return go's,,,,,,,,its the same for Robby.

 

What films?

 

Whoops,,,did I screw up here? I thought I read reviews of a Tiger bout on film some years ago,,,,,is that wrong info?

 

Your completely off base here Sanchez, do you also rate Muhammed ALi as a HW for his performances against Spinks? Thats as far gone as Robinson was against Basilo/Fullmer and the Pender fight is pretty much comparable to ALi-Holmes

Guess what Robinson was very close to his prime at Middleweight from 1950-1952. He retired for 3years and came back at the age of 34 clearly past his best, but none the less was able to recapture the MW crown past his prime

Its also a bit of base criticising Robinson's losses while ignoring Grebs. Greb lost his first MW shot to O-Dowd (although never managed to get a revenge fight), O'Dowd would lose to WW champ Britton the following year despite having a significant weight advantage, Greb was once dominated by Tommy Gibbons going 2-2 in a series, he went 1-1 with Mike Gibbons, lost and drew to Bartfield who he outweighed by 14-20lbs during their contests he went onto to avenge the loss to Bartfield numerous times but its still a loss to a WW while carrying a massive weight advantage. He also possibly lost each of the 3 Tiger Flowers fights, although he was blind in 1 eye at this stage. He drew the series with Loughran but Loughran was likely a tad green for their earlier fights, when he matured he started to beat Greb who by that stage was blind. The Tunney fights shouldn't really be held against him due to the weight disadvantage

So in my view Greb isn't quite as dominant against the very best as his many wins suggest at first glance. O'Dowd/Gibbons Brothers/Loughran were certainly right up there with him and possibly better.

 

Robinson probably, never seen Greb fight so cant judge properly.

 

although robinson's best peak weight was only 150lb i'd still pick him over greb