Sparring Sessions Analyses

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by Panthers89, Sep 17, 2010.


  1. marciano22

    marciano22 Member Full Member

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    OK, I remember when i was 17 and after a sparring session I told my coach i really need to work on my counter right cross :D and that almost earned me a slap. I couldn't even throw a proper jab :); didn't listen and got koed in my third fight. The thing is, if you don't know the basics you can't progress. So this is my list of things you can do while deployed.

    1. Shadowbox in front of a mirror, do not look at your "gracefull" jab and straigth right but rather focus on balance, positioning of your fists, shoulders and chin.
    1.1 hands up at all times, fists travel back the same way they got there; straight line !!!
    1.2 left shoulder protects the chin when you throw left jab and the same goes for straight right
    1.3 when punching with straight punches, shoulders almost completley rotate but do not lean in as it makes you vonurable for counter.
    1.4 stay balanced at all times !!!

    2. counter punching is not when you are both throwing and you randomly land a punch.
    2.1 the most basic manevour is to catch his jab with your right hand and counter with your jab
    2.2 try to engage your army mates in to a battle of jabs only. They don't even need to be boxers, it's a funny game :D

    On being special: You are not special, Valero was special, he had your skill set and still beat skilled profesionals. That doesen't mean you won't be able to be as good as him, it's just that different people take different paths. Look at Kotelnik for instance, nothing special but a champ...

    Post more videos so we can see the changes

    Learn your craft, enjoy boxing and be safe down there ;)
     
  2. Relentless

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    there's nothing really wrong with leaning over too much, floyd mayweather and chad dawson always do it, it does take alot of energy though.
     
  3. Panthers89

    Panthers89 Mr. Big Dreams Full Member

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    Understood and very duly noted sir, next time i get to hit the heavybag i will try to get someone to record it for me, thanks to all for your Honest output
     
  4. Panthers89

    Panthers89 Mr. Big Dreams Full Member

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    Contrary to "Very Popular" belief lifting weights does not make you stronger at all in boxing, in football or basketball it will but not boxing. all that will do is make my muscles tense, tight and slow, none of which will help my boxing skills or make me a harder puncher. I heard this quote about wight lifting in boxing that still rings true to this day, weight lifting is "Like putting sand in the gas tank of a Ferrari". It is like having dangerous surgery, it will hurt you much more than it will help you
     
  5. Nicky P

    Nicky P Jamiva Boxing Full Member

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    Hey Panthers,

    for 7 months in you don't look bad at all. Most of the problems will be fixed in time as long as your teacher stays on top of you.

    As far as where you are training, I understand. All you need is some space and a good teacher and you can learn a ton of things. My coach used to teach in a project basement. When you don't have money for gym fees, you make due.

    Great list of fighters to study. I'm big into Pep, Walcott and B Hop myself. My coach gave me Pep style to implement. 2 other fighters that I think you would find helpful to study are Charley Burley and Nonito Donaire. But don't just look at them and mimmic them. Ask your teacher what it is about these fighters that you should look out for.

    Other than that, keep up the good work!
     
  6. PugilistStudent

    PugilistStudent Active Member Full Member

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    Thats part of my point but I like to counter so I usually think of things in terms of how to best counter someone and it can be a ***** when you take a bit too long to get back into position to fire the shot you want, I hate to miss a counter it pisses me off. Thats all I was saying.
     
  7. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Also, leaning in takes away a lot of your power. This was one of my biggest mistakes when I started out. And yes, it's really easy to counter.
     
  8. libtolu

    libtolu New Member Full Member

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    Complete load of bolocks. If you train like a body builder yes you will get slower but if you train for high end maximal and speed strength your muscles will gain flexibility and you will gain strength not only in the lifts but it will transfer over to boxing.

    Heavy weights develop the neuromuscular link allowing you to fire off more fast twitch muscle fibre at the same time and the more complex olympic lifts will help develop muscular coordination whihc definately helps boxing.


    Instead of reading dated anecdotes do some research on it the internet is full of scientific articles about weight training for boxing or even talk to some people on here and other forums there is bound to be plenty of sports science people lurking about.

    Plenty of top level boxers lift weights and if a top level conditioning coach is saying to use weights it can't be as bad for you as you've made out.
     
  9. Panthers89

    Panthers89 Mr. Big Dreams Full Member

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    Sorry but you need to do your research, name one "Top" level boxer who has ever used weightlifting and stayed at the top, cause with all that weightlifting that fast twitch muscle isnt gonna last a whole fight because its been tight the whole fight. These "Conditioning" coaches are trying to bring their football and basketball mindset into the game of boxing and that **** dont work at all, so instead of listening to all these so called "Experts" on here ask an experienced trainer and see what they tell you, heavy lifting will get you nowhere in the game of boxing
     
  10. libtolu

    libtolu New Member Full Member

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    :patsch off the top of myhead Evander Holyfield Shane Mosley Tommy Morrison.

    A lot of them do it when they want to bulk up, mayweather used weights when he wanted to go to a higher weight class.

    Obviously you have to be careful with weights because you want to stay within the limits of your weight class but heavies lift hell david haye lifts and , although not top class, eddie chambers lifts.

    The fact of the matter is high volume low weight will induce hypertrophy which eventually will do nothing for power and will only bulk you up, explosive lifts with a low rep range will improve power and kinetic chaining which will transfer over.

    "Evander Holyfield has been using strength training techniques for a number of years to good effect. His strength and conditioning trainer Tim Hallmark made comment in the December ‘87 issue of Sports Illustrated and called attention to the massive improvements that were made to the conditioning program of his fighter;
    During conditioning drills Hallmark monitored Holyfields heart rate to assess workrate and recovery. With this conditioning Holyfields heart rate would drop from maximal to 130 beats per minute at the end of one minute's rest, just like the period between rounds. When he first started, Hallmark said, he could only drop to 175 or 180 beats per minute but now every round he goes out 66% more recovered(1)."




    If you want the whole article here it is


    http://www.glovegame.com/articles/boxing-with-speed-and-strength.html

    And here is a q & a done by a coach of gb olympic boxing team, now don't tell em they don't know what they're doing.


    http://www.gbboxing.org.uk/news/ask-the-experts-strength-and-conditioning-121.php


    P.s And FYI fast twitch fibres wouldn't last the whole time anyway that's why you don't see boxers throwing non stop punches for 12 rounds training with light weights does little for fast twitch fibres and transfers over ntohing to boxing.

    Again there has been lots of sport specific research done into this look some of it up on google.
     
  11. G_Hoppa

    G_Hoppa New Member Full Member

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    about wieght training:

    It's not how quick your muscle moves, but the intention of your muscle when you go to move it. If you try to lift something as fast as possible, you will engage fast twitch fibers, even if it moves slow. This is why certain types of weight training are beneficial (but not body building type programs). As for 1 "top" boxer, hopkins was one. There are others, lots of others.

    Also, there are other ways to train power. Using say 30 % max 1RM, do 5 reps for 3 to 5 sets, this is tested and proven to improve power. Power = (Force X Distance)/Time. It may not nessicarily increase handspeed, but it will increase power. Maximal power occurs at intermediate velocities when lifting moderate loads.

    Edit: I wrote this at the same time libtolu wrote his, he beat me to the punch ...
     
  12. Panthers89

    Panthers89 Mr. Big Dreams Full Member

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    :-:)-( anybody with a Degree in conditioning can sound like they know what they're talking about, and as for Holyfield he progressivly got slower and his reflexes slowed down so it hurt his defense, therefore exposing his chin as shown in his fights with Bowe
     
  13. di tullio

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    Sergio Martinez, Lucian Bute, Pernell Whitaker, Pacquiao, etc. All active guys who use weights in one way or another. They're all quick and have varying levels of power. There are tons more.
     
  14. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The whole no-weights discussion has been done to death many times over. Anyone who knows what they're talking about will tell you that weights aren't harmful when done correctly (i.e. for power).

    I don't use them anymore, but only because I'd have a hard time balancing them with running, boxing, and eating right. When I eventually go open class I'll probably get into much more serious training and get back to the weights.
     
  15. Panthers89

    Panthers89 Mr. Big Dreams Full Member

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    No the point i have been trying to make is HEAVY LIFTING is what is not gonna help. using light weights (i.e. 1-5lbs) is very useful and benefitful
    and just because i like the dude pacquiao does not use weights, he does a hella lotta plyo-metrics