Sonny Liston vs Joe Frazier

Prime vs Prime I think Liston has the advantage, at least in the early rounds.

Sonny is just wrong for Joe: a heavy puncher with very long reach. If Joe wants to get inside he is gonna take a lot of punishment from those left hooks and jabs :!:

However if Joe manages to stay alive past the 6th round, I think his chances improve a lot.

 

Liston by late TKO. Kind of reminds me of a smaller George Foreman w/ his brute strength and iron chin.

I could possibly see Joe outworking Sonny, but over 15 rounds I see Liston dropping Joe.

Off topic - that shot Liston caught Westphal w/ was ferocious.

 

Liston got KO'd by Martin in 1968, just as Frazier moved into the title picture. Not only would Liston lose to him then but he didn't deserve a shot at him either.

Prime for Prime I look at it as 50/50. Liston can stop him early or get taken into the later rounds and get beaten up.

 

Oh, I doubt that. Frazier in his peak knew the dreaded Liston-killing corkscrew punch. First-round kayo for Joe. :hey Even in Liston's peak, well before Ali, he couldn't take so much as one corkscrew punch. Fact.

 

I have also heard this before. A very knowledgeable old timer friend of mine has always insisted that Sonny would be all wrong for Fraizer. I remember thinking this was pickem, but i think he convinced me otherwise, HTH ill go with Liston. In my all time rankings though id have to rate Fraizer higher.

 

Liston TKO4

 

Agreed John. I am curious, I have a question to the people who pick Joe Frazier over a 1960 Sonny Liston....do you pick Joe Frazier at his best against Foreman too?

 

Sonny, early.

 

There was a good reason why a young Joe Frazier was steered clear of an older Sonny Liston. His people rightly identified a bad stylistic dynamic for Frazier. In practice the older Liston had probably lost enough that they would have got away with it even if the fight would have looked bad for Frazier at times.

Prime for prime my money would go in Liston. I am not comparing Liston to Foreman or Frazier to Patterson. I just think that Liston had the tools to do this. He was one of the best if not the best heavyweight puncher at fighting on the retreat. He was as good on the inside as he was at long range which meant that coming straight at him was like trying to walk through a meat grinder.

This is my call.

 

its a fight that easily could have happened too.

 

Well said janitor. :good

 

:deal This - Liston was a dreadnought he would've been far too much for Frazier IMO - unless you could do things a little differently you would be on a loserfrom the word go with Liston - Frazier was too predictable to hittable and to static when he got hurt - Liston-Frazier would've been a fight that should've been a gimme back in 69 - the young up and comers always feast on the aging names - it's one of the unwritten rules - the fight should've happened but I think Joe would've been very wary of getting in with Liston

 

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:huh Not sure what you mean there Boxed ears - all I know is Angie Dundee said pretty much that himself - and I'd assume he might've had the inside track on that - ps your avatar pic is hilarious - pps you are a homo...but not reallyyyyy!!!!

 

was that the liston killing phantom punch ??i like both liston and frazier.i just can't see frazier doing any better against liston than he did against big geoge