Which all time great welterweights could have beaten Sugar Ray Leonard..?

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  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think that the original Sugar could have done. No surprise there. Kid Gavilan would have had a good shot. I'm hard pressed to think of many more. I'm sure that I'll be reminded,in time. Thoughts ?
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Thomas Hearns certainly could have, I think we learned that much from their first fight.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

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    I'd take SRR over him and that's all she wrote. There would obviously be others in with a chance but none that i'd be actually picking.
     
  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would have made Hearns the slight favourite over Leonard if the fight was made at 154 lbs.
     
  5. doug.ie

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    i'll throw in kid gavilan...never ko'd and had long arms and i can imagine leonard as fast as he was getting caught with those famous bolo punches.....gavilan could box 50 rounds if he had to..
     
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    Duran, Robinson, Hearns and maybe Mayweather although I wouldn't pick him (waits for numerous bitching comments). Maybe Galivan/Whitaker too, although I'd pick LEonard against both. I can't see Napoles having the style to win. Walker had problems with boxer movers and hasn't got a that impressive record at 147. Ross and Armstrong are way too small. DLH/Tito just not good enough.
     
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    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    :lol:

    Just kidding, bro.
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I would only make Robinson favourite over him but obviously there are 4 or 5 welters that have a real shot & couldnt be counted out, Duran of Montreal, Hearns in an immediate rematch, Basilio, Napoles for starters.
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    I was going to mention Duran but with just 3 meaningful fights in the division and not many others i wasn't sure he was an all time great of the division per the ask of the thread. Whitaker's pushing it too.
     
  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Hearns was the best ever at 154 IMO & I think he could outpoint Ray in a 12 rd bout but 15 rds gives an advantage to Ray because he is a bit grittier when tired & naturally tougher, if he didnt stop Tommy again there`s a chance he could snatch a close one on points by finishing the stronger fighter in the championship rds + I dont see Leonard giving away as many early rds as last time trying to outbox Tommy, I think he`d want to make it a war type fight a little earlier tbh.... its not just the man that lost that would have learned a few things from the 1st fight.
     
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    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    He doesnt really need to have had a great WW career to be included, its a one-off fight, his best night as a 147 lber could be enough to include him.... personally I feel the Leonard of the Duran II or Hearns fight would beat Montreal Duran on points but that Duran certainly CAN be mentioned.

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  12. burt bienstock

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    For the oldtimers- Tommy Ryan, Jack Britton, Ted Kid Lewis,kid Gavilan ,would have a
    shot to win because of their skills and vast experience...they had more than twice as much bouts than Leonard...
    Sidenote=Of course Sugar Ray Robinson,without doubt ...
     
  13. Pachilles

    Pachilles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what about a hypothetical Vancouver Duran or Toronto Duran? Would he even reach SSJ1 in these two cities or does he peak at kaiokenx4?:think
     
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  15. WhataRock

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    Tommy Hearns would have beaten Ray nearly everytime over 10 rounds IMO.