How would Marciano fair in todays heavyweight scene?

Chef's being exposed as a fraud though

 

Friendly? Get the **** out of here and enjoy your sweaty Italian man fantasies.

"Clearly the idea of Marciano not being a muscle bound, stocky Italian giant would ruin all of your homosexual fantasies about him. I could care less about your numbers because you don't understand the concept. .....that speaks volumes about your ignorance."

-Di "Friendly Debate" Tullio

 

But, Emanuel Steward says the exact same thing. How is CHEF being exposed? I must have missed some goings on in the gen forum?

 

But your missing the point on water weight. Rocky didn't dehydrate, use saunas, use diuretics to cut water or diet down on all protein diets. He doesn't need to cut bodyfat/muscle just lose water weight. If he did he could cut 10lbs and enter the ring at 190lbs, today many many LHWs enter the ring ripped at 185-200lbs

 

Give it a rest.

 

I'm not saying it isn't true but Chef is still a fraud. There's threads where Chef's clearly been exposed as a liar, specifically about fantasy weight training sessions with Waldo. It was a couple of months ago I think, the numbers he was talking about didn't add up

 

"...homosexual fantasies"

-Di "No HOMO" Tullio

 

I'm done replying to you. It's a waste of thread space.

 

Prime Rocky weighed 185-190 on average after already cutting weight through intense training, he would have to lose more than 5% of his body weight after the fact to go below 175. Being obsessed with coming in at the best condition possible its doubtful Maricano would engage in such unhealthy practices to be protected by a weight limit he clearly didn't need. I think just gaining 10-15 lbs of muscle or simply not cutting so much weight in the 10-12 round era would be the more logical outcome. I honestly don't think he would stick around at cruiser, nobody of substance does.

 

:hi:

 

You keep regurgetating this, he lost weight from bodyfat yes. However he never attempted to cut water weight and get down to his lowest possibly effective weight, which is completely different thing. A 185lb Rocky drops his carbs low for 3days, takes diuretics, hits the sauna and wears sweat suits. You'll see him come down to near 175lbs

Shedding 10lbs of water weight is possible and with today's 24hour weigh ins he wouldn't be more drained than most LHWs are today, who are also coming into the ring weighing from 185-200lbs. The human body is something like 95% water weight, so thats why you can cut 5% of your weight from cutting water

Yes he could go up in weight too, similar to what Adamek has recently done

 

Not sure he was just cutting fat, Rocky was obsessive about staying in shape inbetween fights by most accounts. It wasn't until he was retired that he blew up.

Well, 10 lbs or less is probably about as healthy as your going to get. Some do more but its certainly Bernard Hopkins and the more better prepared fighter's limit.

Problem is that despite training down Rocky was still generally over 185 in his prime. After winning the title he only weighed 185ish twice more, the second time he claimed to be overtrained. I just don't see him being very comfortable making Light Heavy consistently even with rehydration.

You also have to consider how Maricano got down to 185-190. Supposivley he only ate one meal a day when seriously training..mostly baked potatoes. A completely different understanding of nutrition in the 50s. This is why its more likely he would be a little heavier in modern times, where he could eat more without worrying about fat.

 

Really, from what? Did I miss something (I don't always agree with him mind you).

 

I remember him being caught in a big lie in a thread about how much the Klitschkos can bench. It was a few months ago.

 

Bingo, while I've heard many discrepancies on this one meal a day claims, it is true that he didn't eat that much. Generally steak and potatoes for dinner, and maybe a decent size breakfast. Not much, considering all the calories he was burning. Yes, Rocky loved to eat and Goldman would find bananas under his bed a lot of times and would have to try and stop him of these late night snacks... and really they weren't "late" night snacks since Rocky went to bed like 9:30 or 9:45 every night when in training.

When Marciano tapered on his training and didn't overdue it like he had against Charles in the first bout he weighed in around 188lbs. Marciano thought he felt fresher, and not as overtrained (Although he still trained like an animal).

I think in a 12 round limit that Marciano would have more advantage in coming in around 200 or so pounds rather than coming in at 175 by killing himself even further. Marciano's stamina might not be as legendary, but his stamina would still be far and away better than any other HW in the division. Enough to set a pace and trouble someone like Wlad. And I'm sure Marciano would've liked coming in around the low 200's (Just like he did with coming in light in his day). He would've liked a bit more like Oscar Bonavena I bet (Who came in around the 200's and was also trained by Charlie Goldman).