Greb vs Louis. What type of chance does Greb have?

I think whether Greb was excellent or not in 1926 was debatable. He was fading fast, had a lot of mileage on the odometer and wasnt training as hard as he had in the past and was having a difficult time making weight. Most of the reporters mention that he was not the same fighter they were used to seeing, looking weaker, slower, and having less energy. A prime Greb does not have nearly the trouble with Flowers as he did in 1926. Even in 1924 when he was still past his peak but still had something left in the tank he showed a lot more than he did in 1926.

Dillon's best MW fights werent all losses. George Chip, Frank Mantell, Jimmy Gardner, Leo Houck (who Dillon was the first to stop and one of only two to do so, and he did it by caving in Houcks ribs), Bob Moha, Paddy Lavin, Gus Christie, Willie Brennan, Buck Crouse were all excellent MWs when Dillon fought them. Furthermore, you cant just discount his other wins at higher weights simply because they were at higher weights. He was a legit MW who was fighting and beating much larger world class fighters. You wouldnt count that against Greb's MW resume why would you count against Dillons? It still tells us something about him.

 

I know thats my point, Im saying prime Flowers vs 1919 Greb is a completely different story. That being said Greb was still capable of beating a lot of world class guys at 160 in 1926. He just wasnt the guy you should be using to base Flowers' claim to greatness on.

 

That's a factor. Also the fact that he fought in the post-Ketchel middleweight era, which was quite possibly the strongest stretch in middleweight history (or any division's history). Easy to get lost among all those excellent fighters.

 

Very low. A middleweight against arguably the best heavyweight ever, and one with great combination punching and finishing ability. Greb might win some rounds but there's no way he can keep Louis off him for the distance. If he's hard to hit Louis can just go for the body, the arms, anything, with 200lbs and his power Greb is going to get beaten down and then taken out.

 

Greb can top any MW in history but has zilch chancewise vs. the Brown Bomber.

 

But how many would be champ if not for ND rules?

 

i dont understand your point.

 

Is this thread what Klompton is referring to with the old fogey reference in the other thread?

If not, it is a good thread that deserves a rerunning every 12 months or so anyway.

 

agreed