P4P Top 10 Official Survey (Poll Closes October 27)

Maxim would be lucky to make top 10 light heavyweights.

 

Thats a bizarre choice I must say...Especially considering there is no Charles or Moore in his top 10, both whom beat Maxim several times.

 

Your list is an abortion, I'm sorry.

 

Boilermakers list rules... except for Maxim. Ill write that off as a curveball. Marciano should have been on my list. Fitzsimmons was truly a freak of nature. Bold but supportable move putting him at number 1.

 

Sugar Ray Robinson
Harry Greb
Sam Langford
Ezzard Charles
Henry Armstrong
Roberto Duran
Bob Fitzsimmons
Muhammad Ali
Benny Leonard
Willie Pep

 

1 - Mayweather JR
2 - RJJ
3 - Leonard
4 - Robinson
5 - Hearns
6 - Ali
7 - Holyfield
8- Duran
9 - Adamek
10 - Haye


Pacroid never-ever gonna be on My list cos I HATE teh little cheater.

 

I am not sure i have ever put him in my top 10 light heavyweight lists either. But that doesnt mean he shouldnt be. Look at the fighters he beat.

Sugar Ray Robinson - Most say he is the greatest welterweight of all time, many say he is the greatest Middleweight of all time and most say he is the greatest fighter of all time. Joey beat him. Yes Ray was getting on, but he was still good enough to lift the world title, after this loss. Admittedly, Joey was the bigger fighter.

Jersey Joe Walcott - balances this out, as he is an all time great heavyweight fighter, who Joey managed to beat.

Jimmy Bivens - is another who i think is criminally underated, and i think he was clearly the best heavyweight in the world (outside Joe Louis) for a decent amount of time. Joey beat him too.

For mine, despite some clear inconsistencies, Maxim has some great results. Look at some of the competition he fought one after the other. In 1948 for example, he fought no less than 14 times, including wins over top 10 (of the time) contenders like Valentino, Satersfield, and Jimmy Bivins.

This is probably his peak, but like all greats, he still went on to have fights against the likes of Robinson, Moore, charles etc. Closer to prime Maxim almost certainly gives Moore, Charles etc an even harder fight. In fact, almost certainly, if Moore, Charles, Maxim, Walcott met on their very best nights, they would split series with each other, swap wins and have mostly split decision fights. I tend to think it is near impossible to split all four of these guys. Strangely enough, i think that all 4 probably beat Sugar Ray at any stage, though Ray is obviously smaller so this helps his rating.

Ordinarilly i rank Charles and Moore in my top 10. But, it is near impossible to split them and today, i was particularly impressed with Joey Maxim's record. I have no issue with anyone putting Moore and Charles top 10 in fact i usually do and may even change before the deadline. I think he has beaten as many pound for pound greats as anyone else.

These lists in particular are near impossible to list. How do you leave off a Joe Louis who dominated his division like no other. Or a Carlos Monzon who outclassed a division for a decade. Tommy Ryan, who basically replicated what Sugar Ray Robinson did. Benny Leonard who was a master, Willy Pep, Barbados Joe Walcott, Sugar Ray Leonard, the list goes on and on and on.

 

At least your trying to back it up Boiler but I think you are overlooking the fact he was beaten by the best of his era, multiple times also. Thus I cant see why he would be ranked above those guys for a start.

The Robinson win deserves a shout but a bull strong light heavy who spent most of his career at heavyweight beating a natural welterweight getting on in years has to be put in perspective.

 

1. Sam Langford
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Mike Tyson
4. Joe Walcott
5. Young Peter Jackson
6. Rocky Marciano
7. James Toney
8. Muhammad Qawi
9. Chris Byrd
10. Orlin Norris


11. Eder Jofre
12. Charley Burley
13. Carmen Basilio
14. Julio Cesar Chavez
15. Hector Camacho
16. Mysterious Billy Smith
17. Marlon Starling
18. David Tua
19. Joe Frazier
20. Jorge Fernando Castro

21. Mike McCallum

 

Here he is

 

Wheres Oneil Bell franky?

 

Lol, you're a funny guy.....really! :yep

 

1. Sam Langford
2. Harry Greb
3. Ray Robinson
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Bob Fitzsimmons
7. Joe Gans
8. Roberto Duran
9. Benny Leonard
10. Willie Pep

 

Hasn't changed since last time.

1. Joe Gans
2. Packey McFarland
3. Benny Leonard
4. Sugar Ray Robinson
5. Roy Jones Jr
6. Harry Greb
7. Kid Gavilan
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr
9. Barney Ross
10. Sugar Ray Leonard

 

Where the **** did Chris Byrd come from?