Prime Fedor Vs Prime Couture

The point it nobody gives a flying ****! We just want to enjoy MMA and have a discussion about fighters & fights. Yes discussing the promotions is valid, and occasionally you've made 1 or 2 good points. But turning every thread into an Alex Jones style rant is getting a little old now Morono. It should not be a revalation to you that promoters want to make money, sometimes to the detriment of the athletes. And most posters here already know this, we are adults after all. But you dont really know what is happening behind closed door more than I do. And again you've ruined this thread with your insults and self aggrandising, which is quite funny as I bet you live with your Mum. A bit of 'banter' and arguement is a good thing dont get me wrong. You talk about 'Zuffa Zombies' yet all you do is copy Wankstain Lane's latest rant.

 

Quite. I watch all sorts of MMA - Strikeforce, JMMA, US Indies plus Zuffa*. I like the UFC system because I believe its the closest we'll ever get to undisputed world titles and the best fighters regularly fighting each other, but I don't hate or ignore other promotions. I just find it odd that some MMA fans have such a hatred for Zuffa when all they've done is what any promoter tries to do - make money by promoting fights. Unlike most modern promoters they've just happen to do whilst massively expanding the popularlity of their sport.

*I do however refuse to watch most of British CAGE FIGHTING. Just bloody awful stuff that I literally cannot sit through for more than five minutes.

 

Agree'd about the British Cage Fights, reminds me of an Eastenders Phil Mitchel brawl

 

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105 to 6.

I think we have reached a consensus, gentlemen.

 

Personally I don't see the need for all the fuss right now, Fedor came out ontop of the matches between the previous generation of HW's now we have a new generation where most of the biog matches havent happened yet. Yeah I'd like to see Fedor/Lesnar but I'd equally like to see Fedor/Overeem, until both groups of HW talent are really played out I don't think inter promotional matches are that big of an issue.

As far as Fedor/Randy goes I think the latters match with Nog really shows he wouldnt have much chance. Coutures a great gameplanner but he needs weaknesses to target, vs Fedor he's be up agenst a faster harder hitting boxer with dangerous sub, good wrestling and exellent cardio. I don't think he'd have lasted more than a few minutes maximum personally.

 

I think there's a lot of truth to that but part of me thinks that Couture's problem against both Nog and Vera was that he was so used to five-round fights that he didn't pace himself correctly. If you look at both fights he finished the stronger and I would have fancied him to take the final two rounds.

To me with Couture its all about when he would catch Fedor. This is kinda the problem with saying Prime Couture vs Prime Fedor because their prime came in different environments with different rules. As I said, in the ring under Pride rules Fedor kills him quickly. In the cage over five rounds I think Couture has a good chance.

 

Nog is IMHO much further removed from his prime than Randy, Couture never had a ton of speed or a great chin while Nog used to be a much better striker than he is these days(just watch the fight with Sergei for example) yet still got the best of him.

In terms of the match being longer I don't think that would make a difference even if Randy made it to the championship rounds. Randy's cardio is good no doubt but better than Fedor's or Nogs? both of those two have been in multiple very fast paced 20 min matches(including a 10 min first round) and have never shown any sign of gassing.

 

How exactly?

Is Randy going to out grapple Fedor? = NO WAY IN HELL

Is Randy going to out strike Fedor? = NO WAY IN HELL

Is Randy going to out last Fedor? = NO WAY IN HELL

Is Randy going to out skill Fedor? = NO WAY IN HELL

Is Randy going to out experience Fedor? = NO WAY IN HELL

Is Randy going to out kick Fedor? = NO WAY IN HELL

 

Indeed thats the why I look at it, where is Randy going to be dominant in this fight? In boxing exchanges Fedor is clearly faster, hits harder and has a better chin.

If Randy tries the fence clinch then he's up agenst a larger judoka with the ability to break out or take him down at any moment.

If Randy does get top position then he's up agenst someone with very dangerous subs off of his back and well proove sweeps and escapes. Randy wouldnt have the size nore the offencive sub game to control Fedor for any lenght of time.

If Fedor gets top position then Couture is in massive trouble, he's never looked great defending off of his back and he's up agenst the most dangerous GnP the sport has seen.

Granted you don't need to dominate a fight to win it but Randy has never had one punch KO power or that dangerous a sub game, vs Fedor he's have no chance but to try and grind out a win which seems tough when theres no "safe" area for him to take the fight.

Randy as a HW was never really a dominant force, beat a few quality fighters but agenst really elite guys with prooven long term records its only really Sylvia(and thats maybe pushing it a bit) with the injury being a possible issue.

Randy's case for being one of the best fighters in the world is IMHO at LHW not HW, how he would have done vs Wanderlei(one "dream match" thats never really been discussed much although both were champs at the same time) or Rampage in 2003 is a very interesting question.