2 questions (not Statements) about Muhammad Ali.

1. No. Early in the career you fight tomatoe cans which are more or less easy to stop.
2. Yes, he is. Still a lock for Top2 at hw though.

 

Well i don't think he's overrated. I think he's underrated by hardcore fans who are at the stage of just getting into being a boxing fanatic, they start wanting to be an elitist and stray from the mainstream views and to do so they don't want to agree with the armchair consensus that Ali is the best heavyweight ever, as a derivative from this type of thinking Joe Louis becomes their default greatest heavyweight of all time. I was guilty of this when i was at said stage of my being a fan of boxing. But now i think Ali is the number one heavyweight ever.

I don't think he was a great body puncher, definitely not, i wouldn't label him a good one, he never invested on that type of work a lot, he hit there to score woth flurries on the move though, not a great puncher but far from a poor one.

 

Is Ali overrated? This is tough because I'm having trouble keeping in mind that this is a question and not a statement. Even the question mark doesn't help me deal with this conundrum.

 

:rofl

 

the first part is pretty much why tyson gets obliterated in discussions, i have no doubt he would lose to the best but they will just disregard him overall.

 

I am sure you're laughing with an I'm With Stupid Shirt pointed toward my avatar. If I had photoshopping skills I could paint a clearer picture. And while you're laughing my heads spinning and I'm not feeling good about myself. Where's BE when you need him?


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On a final note, anyone find it odd that even Robinson know he couldn't deal with the half mortal Joey Maxim? Here's him putting his crown back on (He's only wearing one to fit in and feel worthy of even being a challenger).

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One of the few punches Joey could land. Didn't matter though.

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If only you could punch heat Ray.

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What a tan from Joey. He knew he had it in the bag when he got his request for an outdoor arena. That smile says it all "What a sucker."

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Pete you just ****in killed it

 

I think Ali is over rated pound for pound, not relly heavyweight, top 2 is good for Ali and Louis imo.

 

I feel like Boxed Ears raped my soul and overtook my spirit. I got all the goofy humor but none of the photo-shopping skills.

By the way, I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head with there being sort of a reactionary elitist view which causes Ali to probably get underrated on P4P lists. I mean he has a HW resume that's immaculate (I mean almost a handful of his opposition is on your ordinary top 10 HW list). But there seems to be some sense with the old-school posters trying to bring up Louis as being forgotten (In terms of his greatness), because he's more consistent, or better due to his blend of punching, speed, and technique. I mean Ali can't be one the greatest ever... he bragged all his career about being that and he's the most recognizable person on the planet. You're not going to look the any more wiser in highly ranking the most mainstream name in boxer ever. You would do better to show off your knowledge by talking about how Bob Fitzsimmons, Charley Burley, and Joey Maxim are so much better.

 

:good Exactly mate,

 

Teeto, don't talk about Greg Paterson that way. He really does believe Jeffries was the best Heavyweight in his prime.

 

I take it your asking is he a harder puncher than given credit for? No doubt in my mind he is. His left hook on Bonavena proved this to me, Foremans KO also.

I know were your coming from about the overated part. Without sounding elitist, which i am far from being, i think that a lot of people with very limited knowledge of the sport, see all the documentaries, films, pictures and books on Ali and form their opinions on these rather than also looking into the history and background of his opponents and peers. I, for one, think hes the best heavyweight ever. and hes up there P4P, but he doesnt **** thunderbolts outta his ass

 

greg's brighter than that.i think

 

Ripcity your wrong on Ali not outboxing Foreman, he did, albeit from the ropes, Foreman was made to miss while Ali hit him clean. People act like Foreman was winning the fight when Ali stopped him, he wasn't

As for Ali not being as dominant as Louis, I really aren't sure what your basing this on. Louis was dominated by Schmelling in his prime. He arguably lost to Tommy Farr, Godoy and Walcott during his reign. Holmes arguably lost to Witherspoon and Williams. Lewis/Wlad/Vitali all picked up losses