Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time At Their Peak

ok then what is it ??the contender list wasn't exactly brilliant was it ?? black or white

 

so you don't rate holmes then ??

 

Well when viewing Jeffries career, who has the best opinion of him, that we can take 100% as fact?

Surely the writer have the best knowledge on him.

 

That was not what I was argueing. Read again. I was talking about the perception in his time.

Yes, there is but you said we shouldn´t put much emphasis what people back then said. That´s something completly different.

By the way Brothers Grimm and Ivanhoe are useful historical sources. For example for abondoning children during hard times around the time those stories were written down.

:roll: yeah, right. Fact is in Germany the games were shown as "Deutschland" not "West-Deutschland" or "Bundesrepublik Deutschland" like before. East Germans also celebrated that success and so on. So, no matter what FIFA says, it was Germany, not West-Germany. :deal

 

Read again? You made light of my argument, and my argument was exactly that others had more impressive wins at their peak.

I said that we shouldn't let it override other facts.

It's similar to when some here raged against me making light on Arcel's claim that Dempsey would KO Louis, Marciano, Foreman and Tyson within one round (two tops). Me having the audacity to point out that it's strange to believe that he would stop them all in as many round total as it took him to stop Carpentier alone wasn't at all popular with some posters. It feels we're drifting into that territory once more.

Yeah, **** FIFA and the rest of the world. I kind of like that Germans dare to be as self centred as the Limeys and Frogs once again.

 

No, how he did in actual fights is the best way of judging him. Contemproray reports should definitely not be discarded, far from it, but we can't let them deceive us that someone having a tough time with much older and much smaller fighters is a demi-god.

 

But would Jeffries have beaten Prime Corbett or Prime Fitz for that matter?
And would he ever beat JJ?

Regardless the answer is a box off between Lewis, Tyson, Ali, Holmes

 

Well, fighters have come along since then that has seemed more inevitable than that. You could make really the exact same case for Marciano (except the size difference in his case hardly existed), but I still wouldn't have him as nr. 1 at peak. His case is probably stronger, actually.

And more than that, I think there's been plenty stories aboound here that shows that you have to be careful of taking those sources at face value. For example the one of Jeffries carrying a shot deer on his shoulders, at a run, for so many miles.

One should remember that this is basically the same journalistic era that made Billy the Kid, Wyatt Earp and Wild Bill Hickock living (and dead) legends; and that made Custer into the second coming of Alexander the Great. The line between story book legend and hard nosed reporting was still very blurred.

But still, an apology to Greg is still warranted. I was just that tad bit drunk and arrogant (but not in any malicious way) when I posted yesterday. You're a very good poster Greg and deserve better than the glib response I gave. Sorry for that. (Go City!)

 

For me the Greatest Heavyweight at their Peak was either Muhammad Ali (Patterson '65 to Folley '67) or Mike Tyson (Berbick '86 to Spinks '88. )

 

No.

No, you didn´t. In my last post I quoted what you said about wort to word. You said, not much emphasis should be put in contemporary oppinion.

In that case, yes, f*ck them. I think Germans know best if they live in two countries or one and don´t need the FIFA to tell them. :hi: