Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time At Their Peak

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Let's not forget the millions and millions that didn't get to see them.

    I wasn't comparing directly, of course, I was just referring to the era's penchant for embellishing and story telling. Don't you agree that the reporting starts to be much more prosaic from about the 20's, 30's onwards?

    One has to remember that journalism, as known today, was still a pretty novel concept. And there were no other medias checking the printed one.
     
  2. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :good
     
  3. GPater11093

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    Didn't expect that. No offence was taken at all.
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ok, but let's concentrate on the fact that you are comparing journalism concerning the romanticising of an outlaw who was in hiding with another individual who toured the country boxing exhibitions...it just doesn't seem sensible or real.

    No. I think it became increasingly purple through the twenties, thirties and into the fourties. But I also don't see how that's here or there, really, it's just a case of deciphering what's written.

    One also has to remember that every single fight report written upon Jim Jeffries as read by hundreds who were ringside and sometimes thousands at the fight - and that some of the fights were filmed at that those films were exhibited in theatres!!
     
  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :think



    I said "too much". Surely. Otherwise, I made pretty clear afterwards, that that was my point

    :lol: Man, you really, really make my point for me. I realise you still were eating your own poo (and rubbing it in your face - to qoute the great Busey) at the time, but you do know that this was before the reunion, right? Germany was as much an official country then as Yugoslavia is today.
     
  6. Bokaj

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    Oh, man this will start evolving into a discusion about the evolution of journalism and how other media serve a fact checking function.

    I'll try and boil it down to these observations:

    The most fantastic stories about fighters seems to abound from the day before film became prevalent.

    If not for film that is readily avalaible for anyone still today, the story about the 3-5 minute break between round 4 and 5 in the Clay-Cooper fight would still be undisputed fact.
     
  7. McGrain

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    This story could have been debunked by the films of Jeffries that toured the country after his fights, were they told about him rather than Ali.

    A very fine example of what I was describing above.

    Not that that would actually be necessary given that there would be a dozen reporters at the fights to keep an eye on each other.
     
  8. bodhi

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    No, you didn´t or I wouldn´t argue.

    :roll: get of your high horse. Germany was Germany after November 1989 just because bureaucracy is slow doesn´t make it any less true.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The interesting thing about Clay-Cooper though, is that the myth persisted for so long. Only when the film had been watched thousands of times for many, many years did someone put the finger on "****, there really is no extra break to speak of"

    There was at least as many on Clay-Cooper.

    To summarize: I'm automatically a bit sceptical of the contemprorary accounts on Sullivan, Jeffries and Dempsey since they at times make them into invincible beasts, when reality shows this is not so. But I certainly don't discard all of them. For example, Langford's admiration of Dempsey really impresses me and may, together with other similar accounts, just push Jack back in my top 10. But i still preach some caution.
     
  10. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Max Schmeling!

    Seriously though, Scott LeDoux. At least, he was the greatest heavyweight COMMENTATOR of all time. He would guest on ESPN and be 1000 times better than Teddy Atlas.
     
  11. Duranium

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    and because they look like **** on the film we do have
     
  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You actually bore me to tears.

    Go City!
     
  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is that to a degree...
     
  14. McGrain

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    As you say, I'd agree that it's as likely that something like this could spring up around Ali as Jeffries - my basic point, actually.



    And i'd say there's more hubris, apocryphal, mis-truth and half-truth surrounding the legend of Ali than the legend of Jeffries. There are similar difficulties in deciphering every champion in between, too, pinning down Liston's training regime has been an impossible task. For some, he trained diligently for 3 months before Patterson I, for others he was slacking off even then. How is piecing together what went on with Jeffries any different?

    To summarise, I think undermining the newspapers of the era as dishonest because they were "new" and occasionally sensationalised cowboys (like we never see criminals sanitised or worshipped even today in tabloids) is silly.
     
  15. McGrain

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    Basically, this is what I was presuming from the get go (but it seemed a bit rude to say so).