Jimmy bivins and Lloyd Marshall just as great if not greater than Charly Burley?

It is not a H2H list per se, more who was the Greatest fighter during their primes.

Definitely Bivin's size is an advantage but I tend to give brownie points to people fighting at a disadvantage rather than negate form a fighter with an advantage. By that token though Bivin's himself was tackling Heavyweights and Light Heavyweights much how Burley was doing the same with Middle's in that period.

If it was a H2H list by ranking them on fighting ability it would be different. I'd say.

1. Burley
2. Marshall
3. Williams
4. Bivins
5. Booker

Not happy with that at all though.

 

After number 1 it gets very tricky.

 

Charles and Moore weren't actually considered among them (although they well could've been as Middleweights) and you left off quite a few Row members in your research. Cocoa Kid, Aaron Wade, Jack Chase, Bert Lytell, and perhaps Joe Carter.

Regardless, very nice post, Greg. Do me a solid and hold on to this passion that you have for the sport. You're fast becoming one of the best posters on the site.:good

 

Williams's record excluding Cocoa Kid is the most impressive of the lot quite clearly, in my opinion. I don't think their series would indicate that he any lesser a fighter than Burley, either. The only thing he had going against him in comparison was a lack of punching power. According to most accounts there wasn't a better technician among the lot, or the era as a whole.

 

Didnt have the time to do the rest really might go back and do some more research on the other guys as I know them 5 fairly well, especially Burley, Bivins and Williams.

I would even attempt to touch Cocoa though, guys an enigma.

Cheers, dont think I'll lose interest any time soon.

Agreed.

Williams is probably my favrouite, guy was probably the best technician of the era as you say. His defence was supposed to be near impregnable as he had it locked down at every level, sound foot movement, good blocks and parry's and superb head movement all brought together behind a snappy jab.

Technically he is probably the best but his power does let him down.

I think Burley did prove slightly better as a complete fighter as he had power and strength to go along with a superb skill set but you could say Burley had a stylistic advantage.

 

yes, that things i heard about his neglect breaks my heart, what some is willing to give in the ring to entertain others and then left unattended.

if i had the opportunity to even live with mr. bivins, i would treat that guy like a king.

 

If it's any small consolation, my knowledge of the Murderer's Row is a bit hit and miss (very hit and miss actually), but I've been meaning for some time to get my arse in gear and expand my knowledge of them a bit. That splendid earlier post of yours has probably just shamed me into doing just that.

I'm not that old myself, but for someone of your age to have the breadth of knowledge and enthusiasm that you do is quite something really. El Bujia was right, you're one of the best posters on here.