Some strange choices. I don't think Hopkins and Johnson fought much alike at all, nor really Ortiz and Perez. Another guy similar to Napoles was the original Gato Gonzalez.
very interesting, nacho beristain from what i remember in a recent fight said that he want to teach the technical approach to boxing so that a boxer can save his faculties.
Hopkins reminds me of Johnson in certain ways: the stance, the technique of certain punches, the technical precision, the occasional similarity in movement. Far from a carbon copy mind. Johnson was a technically better puncher and the more fundamental of the two, whereas Hopkins was a bit cagier with a better defence. Ortiz and Perez moreso in their build and two fisted power (which I suppose you could say was superficial), and perhaps their general manner of getting things done as well as the same type of shot selection every now and again. Again, not exactly twin-like, but the occasional shade is there. I could be wrong here, but I vaguely remember you mentioning in another thread how Jofre was nothing like the mini-Robinson he often tends to be depicted as, which I kind of agree with and disagree with at the same time. There are certainly some facets of their arsenals that differ widely, yet I always seem to have an intangible sense of deja vu watching both of them once I've got past the difference in stance for men who were both tall for their best respective weigh classes. Truth be told, I think that very few fighters are like each other in the closest way.
I don't know. Aside from the common comparison regarding their two-fisted punching power, I don't see any resemblances whatsoever between the two. Robinson was much quicker, much lighter on his feet, threw punches nothing like him, etc.
This is one of the things were I reckon a fundamental similarity exists in technique, intent, timing and selection, although Jofre was perhaps a tiny bit more compact and precise whereas Robinson was faster and slicker. The difference in stance magnifies it a bit imo, Jofre's crouch being somewhat opposed to Ray's more upright and tilted position with his left hand lower.
I actually think Ray was the far more compact puncher of the two. While he threw his punches with good leverage and balance, they were also quite a bit wide, especially his hooks.
If you mean Jofre by this, it's true that he could wing his hooks a little bit, but I thought that Jofre's reach was longer than Ray's in proportion to his height. Throw in that Ray was faster, and I think that it more or less evens things out in a certain sense. Again, not to waffle unnececessarily, but I think Jofre's crouch and reach both exaggerated the effect of and negated the potential danger caused by his punches sometimes looking slower and wider. In a wider sense of them being (or not being) like each other, I think that some it stems from how they were perceived in their own times ie. both hugely dominant over very strong divisions, both the p4p number ones and both regarded highly by the cognoscenti of the time. Plus it was Nat Fleischer - known for being a grouchy, hard-to-impress old ******* - who apparently coined the comparison, probably causing people follow along without thinking about it and creating a cliched buzzword (which kind of goes to support your point of view I suppose).
Jess Willard=vitali Klitschko..with klitschko being better..and more mobile on his feet...not sure about holmes being that much like ali....definitly not like early ali..really couldnt floot in the same way..gene tunney reminds me as much of ali as holmes...having said that..no heavyweights where like ali..guy was a freak of nature.
:goodtrue. when i was an amateur boxer back in the 70's, every show had an ali immitator.only one ali too
El Bujla, you beat me to it on the Napoles-Rodolfo Gonzalez comparison. Also, I would add in Juan Martin Coggi-Gianfronco Rosi, Herol Graham-Johnny Nelson, Willie Pep-Wilfredo Gomez (a punching version of course), Willie Pep-Albert Davila (boxing version) and of course for all those Ali impersonators out there, Howard Davis came closest. Scartissue