How do Robinson's close controversal fights in his prime affect his legacy?

I've gotten the feeling that it was a more comfortable win than the first one, but not really an "ass whipping". I could well be wrong, though. Does anyone have any fight reports?

Garfield, I know you didn't get to see it, but you must have heard the buzz. What was the general feeling, did Robinson clearly confirm his superiorty in peoples' minds?

 

Strauss' Show .
Montreal Gazette - Google News Archive - Sep 25, 1948
In fact, I would say he owed Gavilan by letting him look good enough for the inevitable match. Robinson Is the cleverest fighter in the business in more an ... All 16 related - Related web pages
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didn't robbie have levine has the hardest hitter he'd faced ??

 

Tanks!

 

sorry burt but this is yet another urban legend

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Robinson-Bell seems like a clear decision based on this news report:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...1871,1086388&dq=ray+robinson+tommy+bell&hl=en

Bell was a pretty good fighter, he always gave everyone he fought a tough time and had a couple of good wins himself. Kid Gavilan too had his hands full with Bell.

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Robinson-Dykes was a majority decision, with one judge somehow scoring it a 50-50 draw. (That suggests judge R. A. Gowdy may actually have had Dykes the winner without the late knockdown Ray sent Bobby buckling face first into the ropes with.) However, this one's been on youtube for a long time now, and it's obvious the other cards with twin scores of 58-42 were far more in line with the reality of the action. I wonder just how close some of those "controversial" decisions truthfully were.

 

I've long thought the same. Detractors act like it was expected of him to always face killer level middleweights while only a welter.

 

Thanks for posting and clearing some things up...Had often wondered about this fight.

 

Bell to me seems a pretty skilled fighter, basically a lesser Robinson in the way he campaigned as a Welterweight but took on some Middleweights as Ray did.

Skillwise he was probably as good as Ray he just lacked the firepower and dazzling offence, as he sure looks a good boxer on the limited footage we have.

Maybe not an 'ass whupping' but certainly a comfortable decision against arguably the second best Welterweight ever, which in itself is one of the best wins in history.

 

Some pictures of Robinson's significant welterweight fights:

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I think California Jackie Wilson tends to be an underrated fighter of the era. He was on a great run until facing LaMotta and Robinson.

 

Robinson won it clearly, but Dykes went onto give Gavilan a lot of problems. He was very tall and quick for a welterweight. Very near to being a great fighter in my opinion, just fell short.

 

S, an urban legend it was NOT...A legend is something that takes time to "marinate"..I read about this the very next day in the New York newspapers...It was common knowledge of that time, thar robinson was given more than 10 seconds to recover...i even recall that fight being talked about in Stillmans gym,when i was their shortly after...
I have before me an interview wih artie Levine.Here is an excerpt =
"yes i was the first guy to knock him [Robinson] out...They gave him a longcount tha night.i knocked him out, but they gave him a 20 second
count.There was a riot at ringside.they protected him at Cleveland...
The referee walked me BACK to my corner and THEN he picked the count
up at "one".The ref was supposed to start the count immediately upon
Robinson going down, provided i started going back to my corner, which
I DID.It was in the fifth round". [Unquote]. so this was not "Urban legend"
but what transpired that night on Nov. 6,1946...As I said before i heard
this account by spectators at Stillman's gym, a week or two after...
For what it's worth...b.b.

 

Artie Levine's moment of glory:

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Levine after having witnessed a prime Ray Robinson's fury:

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