Who's the Smallest-Ever Fighter You'd Pick to Beat Current Wlad 6+ Times Outta 10?

mike tyson

 

and holyfield

 

Dempsey would be the smallest guy i'd expect to beta Wald majority of the time. Frazier and Louis would too but they weighed more then Dempsey.

 

To be fair to Wladimir he was a brainless idiot in his early fights when he was beaten. He was not even fighting to his strengths. Now emmauel steward has got hold of him he is not the same fighter.

If he had fought in a better era he would have been found out earlier and engaged in his brain sooner.

Look at Aerola even if he trains the brain does not work he is doing the same thing he did after ten fights.

You have to accept nobody who has beaten Wladimir even gets close to him once his brain learnt to box properly. Having said all this the fact that the historic samual peters and chris aerola could stay at the top of the ranking so long without training or thinking shows how bad heavyweight boxing is at present.

Eddie Chambers without the lard belt is 195 fighter. I do not see eddie beating Joe fraser, Rocky, joe Louis or dempsey. The problem is there is a huge gulf between eddie and the klitchko's.

 

Don't discount Wlad being able win a decision over anyone. He has size, power, skills, and height over just about anyone. Plus he can clinch like a Giant Octopus to eliminate in-fighting. He moves his legs well and fights smart.

Outside of the punchers chance, which Wlad has vs everyone too, fighters are going to need good defense and a chin.

One of the reason Wlad's fights can be boring in the eyes of some is the fighters is Wlad's jab is tough to get past, and he can drop the right hand bomb in quick. Once fighters taste Wlad's power, they go defensive for a reason.

I guess the smallest fighter I pick to beat Wlad 6 of 10 would be Tyson.

 

Dempsey

 

This is not an argument, it's pictures, names and heights. They mean nothing to me. I think stylistically Dempsey, Frazier and Tyson all are bad news for Wladimir. The size would not be relevant enough for me to favor Wlad. Obviously, I think he has his chances, but there you go. 6+ out of 10? I'm comfortable with that pick. Dempsey is the smallest man I can favor over Wlad for 6+ of 10.

 

It's an interesting question, and I've read many, but not all of the responses. It seems to me the answer would pretty much hinge on the outcome of the first fight. For example if Wlad could stop Frazier, or Marciano, or Dempsey, fairly early in their first fight, what sort of adjustment could they make to prevent a similar result in the other nine fights. Probably none, because the whole premise of them being able to beat Wlad is based on them being able to get on the inside and wail away at the body and land shots to the head. But if it turns out, Wlad could prevent this from happening, then they have no plan B. But if he can't prevent it, then they don't need a plan B and he really would have no answer against any of these type of fighters.

Similarly if Ali can't outbox Wlad because of Wlad's reach advantage and power, then he too doesn't really have a plan B either.


So fighters that have more than one option have more opportunities to win. Certainly Lewis would have the best chance of all the fighters, given his size, experience, and power. I think Holmes would probably be the only fighter who could actually outbox Wlad, although Ali, and Lewis might be able to. Other fights such as Holyfield, and Louis are tough to call, because unlike Frazier, Dempsey, and Marciano they aren't just swamers. Holyfield is more of a counter puncher and he could get inside and cause Wlad all kinds of trouble, Louis could too. Not mentioned much on this thread from what I've read is Foreman, but he's a touch call. I'd certainly be coming forward, and if he connects with something he had the power to drop Wlad, but his defense is porous so he'd also be pretty easy to hit.

Anyway, I'm going to go with Louis as having the best chance of winning at under 200lbs, and since Dempsey was the smallest (well perhaps Marciano was too, but his defense was more suspect) of the swamers I'll go with him, in the swamer category.

 

What reach advantage? And Wlad has less power than Shavers and Foreman, and no more than Liston probably. Ali was hardly a one-trick pony, he was renowned for being able to fight in several different styles, he could dance around avoiding punches and flick his jab from range, he could stand on the ropes and trade, he was pretty much known as a ring general with huge variety. He's not a one-dimensional fighter like Frazier or Foreman...or Wlad.

 

Well I'm old enough to have actually watched Ali, and contrary to myth he never walked on water and he had his faults. He was a beautiful boxer with tons of speed and ring smarts, but he wasn't a great inside fighter by any means and he was prone to going straight back. Also if you watched him you'd realize he didn't fight all that many fighters who were taller than him. With Frazier and others he tended to pull their heads down and use his reach well, nor did he have a huge amount of power. Not taking anything away from him, but as the saying goes styles make fights, and IF, Wlad's jab was something that caused Ali problems, he'd definately have a fight on his hands, because he's not a fighter who likes to go on the inside. He was more of a counter puncher to those who did go on the inside, ie Frazier, Foreman etc. But Norton gave him fits, and someone like Wlad, could very well do the same. I'm not says Wlad would win necessarily, but it would very likely be decided on whether or not Ali could avoid Wlad's jab and counter on a continuous basis, and not get hit with cleanly with the Wlad's right.

Personally I think that Wlad and particularly Lewis have more tools at their disposal, than Foreman and Frazier do, especially given their styles relative to how Ali fights.

 

I would feel perfectly comfortable betting that Louis could do it.

 

Rocky Marciano more than just 6 out of 10 imo

 

'71 Joe Frazier should be the consensus if everyone is thinking clearly('88 Tyson is too heavy to qualify IMO). Regarding the other smallish atg HWs, I could see Dempsey, Patterson, Quarry and Shavers having serious success but only Dempsey winning a majority of the contests(as specified by the thread starter).

 

Agreed, although I would be a lot more comfortable betting on Frazier. Despite Wlad's jab and thunderous right hand, he just doesn't have the wheels, uppercut or infighting ability needed to keep Smokin Joe off of him. Frazier would go absolutely medieval on Wlad. My prediction...PAIN.

 

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