Prime Evander vs Klitchko

These arguments are just so ******ed. Really.

Byrd, Ibrahimovic, chambers wouldn't have even went 5 rounds with a guy like Lewis or Bowe at their primes?

As an example, Lennox Lewis dropped a prime Shannon Briggs 4 times, before stopping him in 5 rounds.

NINE years later, at 37, Briggs pushed Ibrahimovic all the way!? Now he's fighting Vitali.

Holyfield arguably beat a prime Lewis at 37 years of age. Pushed Bowe all the way in all 3 fights. Beat up a very very very good Tyson in both fights.

It's just not an argument.

The brothers K have made a name beating guys in 12 rounds, that guys like Lewis beat up in 3-4

 

Hahaha hilarious.

You're talking about the same Holyfield who arguably beat a prime Lewis, at the age of 37?!

Holyfield competed with a prime Lewis when he was probably 3-4 years past his best, himself.

Vitali couldn't even beat Lewis when he was 38 and shot.

And seriously, Wlad wouldn't even go 5 rounds with Vitali. Never mind a shot Lewis. Never mind a prime Lewis!

 

See I like this guys post b/c his opinion is off accomplishments in the ring(with the exception of that Bowe comment).

 

Let's play a man who knocked out a purely by Oliver McCall and Hasim Rahman and fought evenly with man, which had already seen his best days

 

The problem with this theory is that Wlad has never been able to this to someone with the skill set of Evander. And probably won't get the chance to.

 

Both win a decision against him. I think both can do a better job against Holyfield than Lewis did

 

And that man chopped Vitali's face up and had him holding on for life when he felt that uppercut.

 

But neither would beat Lewis, soooo...

 

You’ve just got to take it all in context. The differences between the eras.

1: Look at what a peak Lewis did to a guy like Shannon Briggs, in Brigg’s prime, coming off his biggest ever win. He humiliated him. 5 messy rounds.

Briggs is a real contender even now, 12 years later!? He’s probably the same sort of level as an Ibrahimovic. There fight was real close.

Look what Lewis did to the guy at his peak. Compared to how he still competes now at 37-38?

2: Look at the Vitali/Lewis fight. Lewis was 38, 30 pounds overweight, and semi retired. Look at Vitali in the last 2 rounds. The guy was finished. Could barely walk back to his corner at the end of rounds. Last round, he was doing little more than grab Lewis every time he threw a shot.

Now take into account that was probably a prime Vitali against a pretty shot Lewis.

Now take into account there isn’t a chance in hell Wlad would ever beat Vitali.

Now take into account that a 37 year old Holyfield, probably 2-3 years past his best didn’t only compete with a peak Lewis for 12 rounds, but arguably beat him pretty comfortably in the first fight.

Holyfield, even at 37 was comfortably better than both brothers. At his peak when he was beating up a very strong Tyson, it’s not even an argument.

 

Lewis was probably the laziest HOF fighter in the history of boxing. He turned up for numerous fights completely out of shape. Basically fat.

Lewis was about 15 levels above guys like that when he was committed to the sport. Those fights were just examples of him thinking he could win these fights without bothering training.

Sadly Vitali's peak is about that level - a flabby Lewis, not even bothering training

 

Holyfield would stop Wladimir, no doubt about it. it's true Holyfield isn't the heavyiest puncher, but he could pop, and he had excellent timing. truth is he floored guys with better chins then Wladimir. On top of this he is faster then Wlad and could take Wlad's punches. AND I don't think Wladimir likes getting roughed up. Holyfield would be playing dirty like he did against tyson and others. Wlad wouldn't fight Holy, he would box him. And that's where Holy would really mess Wlad up.


Vitali would be more trouble, because Vitali had a granite chin, and he would be willing to fight. Wlad does hit harder then his brother, but Vitali can still pop. IMO, Evander takes a decision. He's just on a higher class. But this would be a war from the start to finish, because Vitali would be game.

it's kind of hard to envision either klit beating evander for me anyway because Holyfield is just that much higher on ATG level..

 

I struggle not to scream when I read things like this.

Let me get this right. A prime Vitali is FINISHED against a 38 year old Lewis, by round 5. As in, he can barely walk back to his corner. He spends round 6 doing nothing but grabbing the guy, for dear life, as he can't throw any more punches.

Holyfield beat up a PRIME Lewis at the age of 37.

 

Holyfield only has a chance if he forces a fight. Wlad would use range, footwork and, yes, holding to make sure that doesn't happen. Vitali would use this to an extent but wouldn't have to worry so much, he could trade punches with Holyfield if he had to

Has nothing to do with anything

 

The problem is, neither Wlad or Vitali really face anyone with the ability to hit them. Don't you agree?

Wlad's a horrible fighter when he's genuinely popped.

Vitali could barely walk back to his corner, in the last few rounds with Lewis. He was gassed from the shots he took.

I know Lewis is a huge puncher, but boxing's a lot lot harder, when you have someone who can hit you back.............

 

Of course it does. It shows you how hopeless the types of guy's Wlad and Vitali beat actually are