Who's the Smallest-Ever Fighter You'd Pick to Beat Current Wlad 6+ Times Outta 10?

the hall of the delusional here.

 

That's where this was ultimately headed.

 

Yeah, I guess he would certainly find that legendary china chin of Wlad.

 

...I didn't think anyone meant it literally. I thought we were just talking about probabilities. Of course it would be ridiculous literally. Can you imagine Ali/Frazier 4,5,6,7,8,9,10? It would become disgusting.

 

I'd throw down on some PPV for this fight

 

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You mean to him? If you mean .. go to therapy:smoke

 

Not a forum full of mental hospital patients

 

I am not so sure. I understand exactly what you mean and can see the common sense in it. But, I really have trouble getting past the visions of Sanders KO ing Wlad. All the clinching in the world and all the reach was no help at all to him. Same with Brewster, when Brewster landed a clean and solid punch. I really have not seen any fighter struggle so much. I think it is because Wlads awkward deep stance leaves him straight up and liable to a clean haymaker.

Now i know people say he has improved, and he has, but he wins his fights nowadays, because he is far and away the best conditioned athlete going into his fights, and he simply is able to outlast his opponents. It also helps that he is actually more skilled in all departments than the guys he is fighting, even the little ones. This would not be the case against some of the great smaller fighters in history. And i still cant get my mind away from the ease with which he has been KOd.

The problem for tiny guys like Fitzsimmons and Langford is not whether or not they would KO Wlad, because in 10 fights they almost certainly would, probably more than once. The problem is that in order to win, they need to do it 6 times because they are not going to win on points, or at least it is difficult to imagine them doing this, and also presumably, they will only have 12 rounds to do it to Wlad. I dont think that it is likely that Wlad would get KOd 4 times out of 10, against anyone. If the fights were longer, that could definitely change things, but that is unfair to Wlad because we dont know how his stamina would last.

As for who is the smallest, I do think that Dempsey is a great chance because if his agression and workrate, i think that he has the ability to land hard and fast early (which you would need to do) and then on the occassions when he doesnt land enough to get the KO, i think he would have the boxing ability to outbox Wlad and win the fight on points.

If i was going to pick a real against the grain pick and one who isnt relying on the perfect style to beat Wlad, then i think that it might be very interesting to see how someone like a Gene Tunney would go with Wlad. It might not be spectacular, but i think that Tunney has the chin to survive (most times), Would be unbelievably elusive and difficult for Wlad to Catch (which might see Wlad chase him and get a bit wild), Would have the power to trouble (though probably not KO Wlad). In fact, all in all, I think Tunney would pose a style that Wlad has not faced before. I think it would be a great fight and i could see Tunney pulling the upset out more than once. In fact, with Tunney, i would even venture to say that whoever wins this won is probably going to win 10-0.

 

1) Wlad is never gonna have enough space or time to land consecutive right hands against a pressure fighter of Joe Frazier's calibre.
2) Frazier proved time and again that he was able to pay the price of admission and make his presence known on the inside against very high quality opposition...Ringo, Chuvalo, Ellis, Mathis, Ali, Quarry(Mathis and Ali being the most relevant examples).
3) How would Wlad cope with 12 rounds of intense, calculated, non-stop pressure? Is there any evidence that shows him demonstrating the ability to cope with a similar situation? Forget that he's never fought anyone even close to Frazier's ability....just give me a fight where he's had to deal with this kind of nightmare.

 

Yes, but the question is PRIME for PRIME. Were Wlad's performances against Sanders and Brewster prime performances?

He has won 13 fights since Brewster, all against toprated opponents. He has cleaned out the division. THAT is his prime. Stop framing your responses using the weakest, most vulnerable moments of his career against the best of another opponent.

 

At 187 pounds, a prime Demspey is the lightest fighter I'd expect to beat Klitschko.
Dempsey had the height, reach and speed of hand and foot, and the power, to offset the weight deficit. I think he'd score a stoppage over Wlad, who I rate as a very good fighter like Lennox Lewis was.

I'm not sure about any fighter under 6 foot being able to beat Wladimir. Tyson has similar tools to Dempsey and though shorter he had extra weight, but was clinched out of fights and Wlad could possibly do that and then start to pound out a decsision with his jab against a tiring and increasingly frustrated and bored Tyson. Likewise, Frazier might be hugged out of the fight and lose a close even controversial decision to Wlad.
Marciano is untested against anyone good and over 6'2, and his reach was very short and his feet weren't particularly fast. Obviously Rocky has a punchers chance but I don't know if he would find a way to overcome the size deficit. You have to doubt it. Wlad is strong as an ox and can smother these short men.
Langford faces the same issues and to an even greater degree.

Dempsey's the only "small" heavyweight I'd edge towards against Wlad, and mainly because he wasn't really that small in terms of reach, and he added more to his reach with his quickness. He was also exceptionally gifted and vicious at clinch-fighting.

 

You're likely right, but a couple of counter-points.

One is that I don't think Wlad would have to land consecutive rights to hurt Frazier, one clean shot would likely hurt Frazier enough that he wouldn't be able to protect himself against follow up punches.

Two, I don't think Frazier ever paid the price with someone who can hit like Wlad can. I'd rank Wlad's power as on a slightly lower level than Foreman, but not much lower.

Three, no way Wlad could cope with 12 rounds of Frazier fighting him on the inside, so if the fight actually unfolded like that. Wlad would be finished.

My point is that even though Frazier would be the favourite in such a fight, and if Frazier did manage to get in the inside repeatedly he'd definately win, but there's no guarantee that this would happen. IF Wlad can hit him once or twice cleaning before Frazier gets into smoking mode, he has a chance of finishing him off. Certainly that's what Foreman was able to do and quite honestly, Wlad throws punches almost as hard as Foreman, and a hell of a lot straighter. The main difference between the two, and it's an important one, is that Foreman is agressive by nature and had no hesitation of taking it to Frazier. Wlad is usually cautious which allows Frazier to stick around long enough to get into smoking mode.

 

I pretty much agree with everything on this post, with the exception that I think Tyson would also beat Wlad, but in terms of who the smallest is who could beat him, I too would pick Dempsey for the reasons you outliined. I also agee that Marciano and Frazier, would have trouble beating Wlad and could very well lose to him.