prime vargas vs prime mayorga

kirk · Oct 2, 2010

And I find it curious you pick Feroz to stop a prime Mayorga in the mid rounds, when he didnt stop ANY top fighter other then campas before the 7th round, unless you want to count Ross Thompson, and then thats two. Even Marquez, while getting his ass beat, made it to the 11th. But Vargas is going to finish a prime Mayorga earlier?

Not happening.

lefthook31 · Oct 2, 2010

Mayorga gives an opponent far more chances to knock him out with his horrible defense. There was a big difference between Vargas in his short prime and the Vargas Mayorga fought. He would have needed that extra spring in his step to catch but I believe he would.

lufcrazy · Oct 2, 2010

Jorodz said: ↑

vargas SHOULD win and easily. better schooled, better technique, more power, solid chin before tito and the nut shot festival. i just see him picking apart mayorga at 154, who really was a little chubby for that weight anyway
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if you are rating chins, mayorga's was far better in his prime

lufcrazy · Oct 2, 2010

kirk said: ↑

So tell me the excuse for Mayorga owning Forrest in their first fight? Your going to try and tell me that Mayorga was in Forrests head in the first fight? When Forrest was coming out like he was the king of boxing, having just beat Shane Mosley, signed a new HBO contract, and you could tell on the way in to the ring he felt he was on top of the world?

Then he comes out and tries to hammer Mayorga into submission, and if it was almost any other boxer that night on the opposite end of Forrest, including a prime Shane Mosley, they would have more then likely recieved a beatdown.

Mayorga took Forrests best in their first fight, and beat him down. Thats the only reason that Forrest was mentally effected in the rematch, so the whole point of that Mayorga only beat Forrest because he was in his head is mute, because he was only IN his head because he owned Forrest in their first fight.

And if Spinks had fought like a man, and not fallen to the canvas every other round, and Mayorga got credit for a knockdown he did, and didnt get deducted points, he would have added a prime Spinks to his ledger as well.

Mayorgas prime was the Cruz fight, the Lewis fight, Forrest 1, Forrest 2, and Spinks. Before the Spinks fight Mayorga was saying he wants to retire, hes been fighting his whole life and he wants to spend time in Nicuruaga. With his lifestyle, habits, and fighting style, he was never going to have a long prime, and once he stopped training hard enough to make 147, he became a slower, sloppier operator, and then after he went up to middleweight (a weight he should never be at, period) to fight Trinidad, anything past that is pretty pointless when talking what Mayorga could do in his prime.

Mayorga may or may not be overrated in terms of what he actually achieved, but make no mistake, the Mayorga that showed up for the Forrest and Spinks fights, would have been a task for any fighter outside a handful of ATG's that match up well with him.
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spot on kirk :good

rayrobinson · Oct 2, 2010

Vargas by clinical stopage around the 10th. Vargas before Trinidad was pretty special. Still dont quite know how Mayorga beat Forrest.

Jorodz · Oct 2, 2010

lufcrazy said: ↑

if you are rating chins, mayorga's was far better in his prime
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no doubt there:deal

lufcrazy · Oct 2, 2010

rayrobinson said: ↑

Vargas by clinical stopage around the 10th. Vargas before Trinidad was pretty special. Still dont quite know how Mayorga beat Forrest.
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by taking forrests best shots like they were nothing. by hitting forrest harder than anyone previously had done. by constantly offsetting forrests rythm. by out punching him and outfighting him.

to summarise, by being the better boxer.

boxalights · Oct 2, 2010

lufcrazy said: ↑

by taking forrests best shots like they were nothing. by hitting forrest harder than anyone previously had done. by constantly offsetting forrests rythm. by out punching him and outfighting him.

to summarise, by being the better boxer.
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mayorga didn't do none of that. he's a fuking terrible boxer man. mayorga's only decent attributes were his footspeed,chin, and power.

vargas by beatdown

cuchulain · Oct 2, 2010

lefthook31 said: ↑

Not really. I think Vargas was a pretty strong 54 pounder, and Mayorga wasnt. Vargas had good boxing skills to setup his power when he was at his best, and Mayorga didnt. Mayorga has to be the most overated fighter in boxing because he was able to get into Vernon Forrest's head. Forrest lost those fights mentally with Mayorga, and really we never saw that kind of outcome with another world class fighter he faced.
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I didn't make a pick, but pointed out that if things went as IB speculated...

"...both are going to get hit quite a lot with their styles. Somebody's getting put away inside schedule."

then Mayorga was better equipped to deal with Vargas' power than vice versa.

If they get into a brawl, Mayorga has the clear edge in chin.

cuchulain · Oct 2, 2010

lefthook31 said: ↑

...and really we never saw that kind of outcome with another world class fighter he faced.
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He beat Spinks by a clear margin. Very poor officiating cost him the decision there.

(unwarranted point deductions and KDs that weren't counted.)

lufcrazy · Oct 2, 2010

boxalights said: ↑

mayorga didn't do none of that. he's a fuking terrible boxer man. mayorga's only decent attributes were his footspeed,chin, and power.

vargas by beatdown
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he owned forrest, twice. first by knocking him out. second by offsetting his rythm and out fighting him.

it takes something special to clearly beat forrest twice.

boxalights · Oct 2, 2010

lufcrazy said: ↑

he owned forrest, twice. first by knocking him out. second by offsetting his rythm and out fighting him.

it takes something special to clearly beat forrest twice.
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no. forrest wasn't 100% in either fight. mayorga didn't offset nothing, who do you think he is pacquiao? what he had over forrest was footspeed. forrest was never 100% focused in those fights and habitually stepped straight back from exchanges, that's what mayorga exploited.

the likes of oba carr would have clowned mayorga

lufcrazy · Oct 3, 2010

boxalights said: ↑

no. forrest wasn't 100% in either fight. mayorga didn't offset nothing, who do you think he is pacquiao? what he had over forrest was footspeed. forrest was never 100% focused in those fights and habitually stepped straight back from exchanges, that's what mayorga exploited.

the likes of oba carr would have clowned mayorga
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absolute bull****. for the first fight forrest was a huge favourite and considered one of the best p4p boxers in the world. mayorga kayoed his ass. in the second he clearly took forrest out of his rythm.

oba carr would have clowned mayorga, even though lewis, forrest and spinks couldnt manage it?

kirk · Oct 3, 2010

boxalights said: ↑

no. forrest wasn't 100% in either fight. mayorga didn't offset nothing, who do you think he is pacquiao? what he had over forrest was footspeed. forrest was never 100% focused in those fights and habitually stepped straight back from exchanges, that's what mayorga exploited.

the likes of oba carr would have clowned mayorga
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PowerPuncher · Oct 3, 2010

kirk said: ↑

So tell me the excuse for Mayorga owning Forrest in their first fight? Your going to try and tell me that Mayorga was in Forrests head in the first fight? When Forrest was coming out like he was the king of boxing, having just beat Shane Mosley, signed a new HBO contract, and you could tell on the way in to the ring he felt he was on top of the world?

Then he comes out and tries to hammer Mayorga into submission, and if it was almost any other boxer that night on the opposite end of Forrest, including a prime Shane Mosley, they would have more then likely recieved a beatdown.

Mayorga took Forrests best in their first fight, and beat him down. Thats the only reason that Forrest was mentally effected in the rematch, so the whole point of that Mayorga only beat Forrest because he was in his head is mute, because he was only IN his head because he owned Forrest in their first fight.

And if Spinks had fought like a man, and not fallen to the canvas every other round, and Mayorga got credit for a knockdown he did, and didnt get deducted points, he would have added a prime Spinks to his ledger as well.

Mayorgas prime was the Cruz fight, the Lewis fight, Forrest 1, Forrest 2, and Spinks. Before the Spinks fight Mayorga was saying he wants to retire, hes been fighting his whole life and he wants to spend time in Nicuruaga. With his lifestyle, habits, and fighting style, he was never going to have a long prime, and once he stopped training hard enough to make 147, he became a slower, sloppier operator, and then after he went up to middleweight (a weight he should never be at, period) to fight Trinidad, anything past that is pretty pointless when talking what Mayorga could do in his prime.

Mayorga may or may not be overrated in terms of what he actually achieved, but make no mistake, the Mayorga that showed up for the Forrest and Spinks fights, would have been a task for any fighter outside a handful of ATG's that match up well with him.
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If I remember rightly Mayorga came out with his usual trash talk, saying something about Forrests wife. Forrest fought angry going for the KO and got ko'd. The second fight was very close.

I think Mayorga gets underrated to an extent though, Vargas's size probably gives him the edge, although a fair bit of this size was bodyfat in comparison to lean mean Mayorga

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