Top 20 most dominant champions

Ever hear of a fellow named Benny Leonard? Or some bloke called Ricardo Lopez? Howsabout Roberto Duran? Hell, Orlando Canizales deserves a place more than most you have listed. And this is just for starters.

Your list is ****.

 

roy jones should be closer to the top for dominance.

Oneil Bell...lmaooooooooooooooo WTF

 

I don't understand the list. If this is a "most dominant reign" list, George Foreman reign was too short, V.Klit and Ray Leonard were too inactive, Holyfield and Marciano's "reigns" weren't all that dominant. Also, where's Roberto Duran and Jack Johnson?

 

Joe Louis is probably the best guy here.

 

And that is being very diplomatic.

The list is thin, runny, arse-burning, diarrhetic **** of a very low quality.

 

Sanchez #2. After that I immediately lost interest, didn't read on further and will go and see if there's anything half-decent in the lounge.

 

Some post's I have done on the dominance of Champions

Carlos Monzon

1.Quality of Opposition beaten at the weight
Not the best quality of opposition (compared to other reigns) IMO, still very good. Wins over Benvenuti, Griffith and Napoles stick out.

Benvenuti - reigning Middleweight champion. Was thought to be a good champion who could continue for a good few years. Was definitly regarded as the best in the world at that time. A top 30 Middleweight.

Napoles - The Welterweight champion of the world, in his prime although moving up. The real significance of this win is that it established Monzon as definitly the best of his era by beating his only other realistic rival IMO.

Griffith - Despite past his prime Griffith was still a better than World Class fighter IMO. He is a top 20 MW definitly. Monzon beat him twice.

After these great wins, Monzon then has the wins over the second tier opponents like Briscoe and Valdez, both guys were just below great but better than the ordinary contenders. Monzon beat Valdez twice.

Then Monzon has the contenders which bolster any record. The likes of Bouttier, Licata, Moyer & Boggs all add to it. These guys were definitly not as good as say Griffith but they were the top cntenders of the time and pretty good.

2.Quality of Performances at the weight

This is where Monzon impresses the most IMO. His wins over Napoles, Benvenuti and the first Griffith fight were all completly dominant wins over great fighters. No other champion can claim to be so dominant over 3 ATGs IMO.

His beating of Valdez whilst past his prime is further testament to his performances as he beat the only other rival to his honours, in one sided fashion. The win over Briscoe where he has some trouble, actually shows his greatness as he recovers from the trouble and fights back to win, again dominant.

At times especially later in is career Monzon didnt look at hsi best against the lesser opponents he defended against but he still domiannted these lesser opponents. Early in his career he was brutalising these opponents but as his career progressed he was less urgent when fighting these types.

3.Examination of Losses

None as Champion.


4.Longevity

Monzon had complete and utter controll of the Middleweight division for 3 1/2 years and was stripped of half his title. His controll as undisputed champ covered 9 defences, and he was completly domiannt. After he was stripped he had 3 further defences before unifying the title against Valdez then sucessfully defending it.

Overrall that is 14 defences over 7 years. With the top class mixed in throughout.

Willie Pep

But Pep's title reign is very underrated, this was a post I wrote a while back about it.

Pep was far more consistent and had a long sucessful reign. Pep's reign is only surpassed by Pedroza in length of reign by a couple of months. Throw in his second reign and you arguably have the best and most dominant reign ever in the Featherweights, in fact that aint arguable.

The thing about Pep's reign that people always over look is the competition he faced but you have to consider the division at the time.

There was no unified champ so 2 titles existed NY and NBA. It was abit of a roundabout with Chalky Wright, Joey Archibald and Harry Jaffa for the NY title. The NBA title had Scalzo Lemos and Jackie Wilson competing.

After Pep won the title he added stability to the NY title and defended it four times after beating Chalky Wright, who was considered the best at the weight and favoured to beat Pep, for the title. He beat Bartolo, Wright again and Terranova before unifieing the title by beating Bartolo again.

During Pep's domination as NY Champ the NBA champion was Terranova who beat Callura twice for the title. Then Terranova lost his title to Bartolo who had lost to Willie Pep within a year earlier. Pep then beat Terranova. Bartolo made three defences before trying to unifie with Pep and losing.

After clearing up the ABC's Pep was unified champ and had wins over top contenders Jock Leslie and Humberto Sierra, before losing to Saddler. After regaining from Saddler he went on to make three defences all against top ranked contenders Compo, Riley (Who had beaten Saddler) and Famechon. He then lost the title back to Saddler.

Overrall that reign is amazing it spans a 8 year period (Nov1942-Sept 1950) of which only for five months was Pep not Champion. It included unifieing the title and with 9 sucessful defences over 2 reigns.

Add in his Non-title bouts during the period and you have a near complete domination of an 8 year period. Most of it after suffering in a plane crash.
Here is a list of his Ring magazine ranked opponents Pep fought, this was compiled by Mannasa (in Bold is HOFers), bear in mind there is afew Lightweights in there aswell.

Spider Armstrong
Pedro Hernandez x2
Bobby Ivy
Vince Dell'Orto x2
Bill Speary x2
Allie Stolz
Sal Bartolo x3
Jackie Wilson x2
Willie Roache x2
Willie Joyce
Lulu Constantino
Joey Peralta
Charley Lewis x3
Phil Terranova
Jackie Graves
Lefty LaChance x2
Humberto Sierra x2
Jock Leslie
Miguel Avacedo
Teddy Davis x3
Paddy DeMarco
Eddie Compo
Harold Dade
Charley Riley
Ray Famechon
Bobby Bell x2
Carlos Chavez
Eddie Chavez
Baby Neff Ortiz
Rodolfo Gonzales
Gil Cadilli

Chalky Wright x4
Manuel Ortiz
Sandy Saddler


Good post by Itrymariti on why Joe Louis would be number 1:

I'll say now I would think maybe a top 4 could look like this.

1. Joe Louis
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Benny Leonard
4. Willie Pep

 

Good post by Boilermaker on Bob Fitzsimmons reign as Middleweight champion.

 

All were past their best and his wins over Griffith weren't greatly impressive. The second fight in particular. Monzon's best weapon was the left jaw to the looping right hand for the first half of that contest. He finally woke up in the last five rounds and deserved the nod, albeit in unimpressive fashion.

One-sided? What fights were you watching? Both fights, while impressive wins against a very good opponent, were close and very hard fought contests.

 

The first fight was a pretty much slow and calculated break down of Griffith. Was a superb performance by Monzon, especially as I rate Griffith highly. Even though he was slightly past it, he was still a top operator.

Second fight, yes. You are right. He was very crap in that.

They were hard fought and the first one was close-ish. I felt Monzon took it by about 5 or so rounds. The rematch I thought it was even wider for Monzon and he was more dominant in a 12-3 sort of fight.

I think they were hard-fought but Monzon clearly showed his superiority. Do you not agree? And Monzon was 'past' his prime.

Upon thinking about it, I think I have probably overrated Monzon but he still had a very impressive run as champion.

 

Really? I've seen some of your scorecards and quite frankly, most of them are a joke. This is the worst of the lot. I can't even laugh at that. :-(

 

joe louis was definitely the most dominant of champions.only for serving his country in the army he would have easily topped 30 defences.

 

I do turn out some odd scorecards, although I did not think that was a particularly bad scorecard for the fight.

I will have to re-watch them.

PS: I'm pretty sure my 115-114 scorecard for JL Ramirez in the 1st Whittaker fight is the worst.

 

were do you rate Old Foreman?? - who had to be ROBBED to loose his World CHampionship!