Rate those heavyweights 1-10 in each department

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  1. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Rate those fighters:

    Jack Johnson
    Jack Dempsey
    Joe Louis
    Max Schmeling
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Ezzard Charles
    Rocky Marciano
    Floyd Patterson
    Sonny Liston
    Muhammad Ali
    Joe Frazier
    George Foreman
    Ken Norton
    Larry Holmes
    Mike Tyson
    Riddick Bowe
    Evander Holyfield
    Lennox Lewis
    Vitaliy Klitschko
    Wladimir Klitschko

    or any other heavyweight

    in

    Opposition
    Power
    Hand speed
    Footwork
    Chin
    Durability
    Stamina
    Defence
    Heart
    Ring generalship

    Opposition - quality of defeated rivals and performance against very good rivals in lost fights

    I will start with Mike Tyson

    Opposition 7
    Power 10
    Hand speed 10
    Footwork 8
    Chin 8
    Durability 8
    Stamina 7
    Defence 9
    Heart 6
    Ring generalship 8

    81

    George Foreman

    Opposition 8
    Power 10
    Hand speed 7
    Footwork 7
    Chin 10
    Durability 10
    Stamina 6
    Defence 6
    Heart 9
    Ring generalship 8

    81

    Jack Dempsey

    Opposition 7
    Power 9
    Hand speed 9
    Footwork 9
    Chin 9
    Durability 9
    Stamina 8
    Defence 8
    Heart 10
    Ring generalship 8

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    jaffay, Oct 3, 2010
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Chin and durability would be basically one category?
     
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  3. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Hence why he's given the same score in both departments for all the guys he's rated. :lol:

    I suppose you could factor it into two categories if you take into account heart. Somebody like Carl Thompson for example, could be hurt and was stunned often, yet he was durable because he could keep absorbing punishment. That's a longshot though, it's pretty much the same thing.
     
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  4. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Good chin is when you can absorb a good punch without going down

    Durability is overall department like taking punishment, getting up after KD, taking body punches, going on survival mode etc.

    Off course anybody can have their own definition, this is mine
     
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  5. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Coincidence ;)

    Larry Holmes

    Opposition 8
    Power 7
    Hand speed 9
    Footwork 9
    Chin 9
    Durability 10
    Stamina 9
    Defence 8
    Heart 10
    Ring generalship 9

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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What insane beating did Holmes every absorb to make a 10 reasonable for his durability score?
     
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  7. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    No
     
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  8. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    15 rounds with Norton, getting up after Shavers bomb, also in his prime he was never stopped and he fought some good bangers. But the Norton and Shavers fights are the main reason I gave Holme 10 in durability.
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Holmes didn't even ship more punishment against Norton than Tyson did against Lewis, never mind something like the beating Louis shipped versus Schmeling.

    Frazier and Ali both absorbed more punishment in winning efforts against one another than Holmes did in any two fights.
     
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  10. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    So rank'em McGrain. I'm curious to see your rates
     
    jaffay, Oct 3, 2010
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  11. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Rocky Marciano:

    Opposition-7.5 (mainly due to pre 1951. Post 1951 it would be an 8.5)
    Power-10
    Hand speed-7
    Footwork-6
    Chin-10
    Durability-10
    Stamina-10
    Defence-7
    Heart-10
    Ring generalship-7
     
    Bill1234, Oct 3, 2010
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  12. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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    well don't forget about weaver and mercer
     
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  13. Bill1234

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    Sonny Liston:

    Opposition-8
    Power-10
    Hand speed-6
    Footwork-7
    Chin-10
    Durability-7
    Stamina-8
    Defence-7
    Heart-6
    Ring generalship-8
     
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  14. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Joe Louis

    Opposition- 7
    Power- 10
    Hand speed- 9
    Footwork- 7
    Chin- 6
    Durability- 7
    Stamina- 7
    Defence- 7
    Heart- 8
    Ring generalship- 10
     
    Vic-JofreBRASIL, Oct 3, 2010
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  15. Foreman Hook

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    Tyson
    Opposition - 6
    Power - 8
    Hand speed - 9
    Footwork - 6
    Chin - 8
    Durability - 7
    Stamina - 5
    Defence - 7
    Heart - 4
    Ring generalship - 7

    Foreman
    Opposition - 10
    Power - 10
    Hand speed - 6
    Footwork - 8
    Chin - 9
    Durability - 9
    Stamina - 8
    Defence - 7
    Heart - 9
    Ring generalship - 10

    Old Foreman
    Opposition - 9
    Power - 10
    Hand speed - 4
    Footwork - 6
    Chin - 10
    Durability - 10
    Stamina - 9
    Defence - 8
    Heart - 10
    Ring generalship - 10

    Lennox
    Opposition - 10
    Power - 10
    Hand speed - 7
    Footwork - 7
    Chin - 9
    Durability - 9
    Stamina - 10
    Defence - 9
    Heart - 8
    Ring generalship - 10
     
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