The limits of bodyweight training?

thumbsupThat's the spirit.

 

I agree that weight training is very beneficial, and would never argue that fact. I have done it all my life. I also agree that it can aide in all the things you are talking about additionally flexibility if trained properly and even more important INJURY PREVENTION. To further your point in various studies, olympic lifters had the 2nd highest vertical/1st VBall players, 2nd Flexibility/1st Gymnasts, and could beat top sprinters in 10 meter sprints.

In contrast however, most gymnasts do predominantly bodyweight "type" exercises with very limited or no traditional weight training, and are very strong and explosive. In addition explosiveness training can be done with weights but also the intelligent use of bodyweight plyometrics, since so much of explosiveness deals with the "stretch reflex."

Dependent upon the trainer, some programs are heavy with weight training, while others do more with varying degrees of bodyweight plyometrics. They typically are not high intensity more than once per week such as high drops and high depth jumps. They have as much if not more of a profound effect on the Central Nervous System than intense squat routines.

While weight training would be beneficial to any athlete, the type of explosiveness necessary for the sport of boxing I believe can be as effectively trained through an intelligent, well thought out bodyweight exercises/plyometrics program.

 

Is it the Slap or the Tickle

 

Actually, according to 'Science and Practice of Strength Training' by Vladimir Zatiorsky, russian male gymnasts spend a significant portion of puberty lifting weights to give them the necessary strength to perform on the rings.

 

True gymnasts do weight training like most athletes though they of course do a lot of body weight exercises as well. I doubt any gymnast could perform a lot of what they do without body weight exercises as that is clearly much more sport specific than simply doing weights.

I find it hard to say one form of resistance training is superior to another because it depends upon the specifics of the goal of the training.

 

you are taking skill into account.

On a basis of purely strength weights are superior. Weights cannot teach you skill or balance. In cases where strength has to be incredibly sport specific (punching) I simply suggest that strength be built in the gym and power be built on the bag. Whole body strength can be built to a greater degree by a comprehensive compound movement weights routine.

 

Which gets the better Nuero response Slap or Tickle :roll:

 

Try to make sense...?

 

Fixed weights are useless, let's establish that first. Isolating muslces, no use of the core muscles, those machines are just worthless.

Free weights are a lot more beneficial, but not the best exercise you can do for overall fitness.

Forget speed and strength; body weight exercises (like one legged squats, one arm push ups etc.) do wonders for your sense of balance, and of course, when you have good balance, you perform better.

 

A simple question, trying to give certain people something to think about . Its about Feel and response to, a very important sense for condition Feel. :good

 

For an athlete yes but machines have their uses.

You worked this out how? So what is the best exercise you can do for overall fitness? As far as I know their is no "best" exercise.

Somebody saying "forget speed and strength" when they are talking about boxing training just sounds stupid.

 

I get that you want people to think, but what you're saying is just random...

 

It is that is true. but there are clues to respond. Like you did yourself :good

 

What a picky ****. Obviously you don't forget speed and strength, I was just highlighting the third most important and often underlooked benefit of certain body weight exercises.

The truth of the matter is this; exercise is only as beneficial as you make it. And with that, body weight exercise is limitless - I honestly see no good reason to invest in manufactured weights. There are weighted exercises that can match up to anything, like some kettlebell drills (developing strength unmatched), but I fail to recognise any leg exercise that's more advantageous than the one legged squat - or the one legged squat jump. Likewise, the one armed pull up. One armed push up, high intensity burpees and so on. Balance, functional strength, muscular & cardiovascular endurance and mind-body coordination can be improved limitlessly, if so inclined, with nothing more than a pull up bar and the floor. When it gets too easy, you just push it harder or make it more difficult.

 

get ross enamaits never gymless and/or infinite intensity, never gymless is for those with little or no equipment

best books i have ever read on strength and conditioning.