The limits of bodyweight training?

but doesn't that depend on the goal the person is trying to acheive?

someone trying to put on muscle mass i dont see what they gain from long endurance reps

or someone trying to work max strength what do they get out of going over the maximal rep range?

 

I lift weights but I don't believe they make you punch harder or something.They make you good at lifting weights..doh.

Want to punch harder? Do more heavy bag work and other specific boxing training.

Running does not make you better at swimming. Same goes for boxing.

Foreman and Tyson (before prison) weren't really hard puncher because they didn't lift weights! /end sarcasm. The hardest punchers in history never touched weights actually.

 

what does push ups do then? make you better at more push ups?

 

Bit of an extreme example but if I added 200lbs to my deadlift, you believe that will have no effect whatsoever on my punching power?

 

building a stronger legs and core will absolutely make you punch harder. And saying Tyson and Foreman never touched weights is complete ****. Just cos they say it don't mean its true.

EDIT: of course this relies on your punching technique. Some people just punch in a way that is les powerful but faster or vise versa. Power punchers like foreman, tyson and tua punch with powerful technique and making them stronger will make them hit harder

 

Have you been out an measured how hard each individual boxer punches? Without this data you cannot say that like it's fact.

 

I agree with this. Technique is what allows you to actually apply strength and speed into a punch.

Your technique will never be perfect and can always be improved but increasing strength in the legs, hips, back, shoulders and everything else that's in the chain WILL increase punching power to a degree. People that say this isn't true are just idiotic.

 

But you don't have to go over the maximum repetition limit by making the exercises harder. If you're good at squat jumps, you can try one legged squats; all your bodyweight on one leg. You're strong as **** if you can do six, at which point you might want to one legged squat jumps. They'll build muscle and give you great balance.

Same goes with pull ups... Once you can do fifteen proper ones, you'll move onto doing them with one arm (very difficult). If you were strong enough to do four or five, you could try letting go of the bar and catching yourself. Then with one arm - the different options will mean you've always got something there that's near your absolute limit.

Push ups --> clap push ups --> one handed --> handstand push ups

The benefits are in agility and balance, as well as composite strength matching that of a weight lifting work out, because essentially you are lifting just as much weight or more. A one arm pull up for me is like curling 66kg in one hand.

 

The pscyhcodinamics of exercise, the why and what for.

 

thats a bold faced lie in terms to tyson, he was knocking people out with almost just one puch alone, legitimate heavy's and he was always the smaller man, you look at his record he actually had more knockouts before prison

 

Actually it just means you have good balance. Most people's legs are capable of pushign up their bodyweight. Also, the way your hip and knee need to move to remain on balance in a one legged squat is worse for your knees than doing a correct weighted squat.

Define absolute limit. Also, you'll get faster benefits from weighted pullups because you don't need to practice again and again to be able to do them unlike a one arm chinup.

once again, balance is the issue instead of strength. Clap pushups are actually the best exercise there for boxing (clap behind your back). handstand pushups also work different muscles to normal pushups so they shouldn't be part of the progression.

agility is the ability to change direction. You don't get that from either a weighted or bodyweight workout.

Also, tell me what you mean by composite strength. 'cos right about now it sounds like you're making **** up.

No its not. And if it were, curls are pretty much useless for boxing.

 

Progression is the only benefit I can see from using weights, and by that I mean you can inch up the scale gradually (rather than going from pull ups to one handed pull ups).

You say one legged squats are about balance... Correct. But balance comes from stimulating and training the small muscles that you wouldn't use on a weight machine. Why the **** wouldn't you want good balance? Why wouldn't you want to do handstand push ups?

Balance is related to agility, by the way. Distribution of weight, and you can train in that area by doing one legged squat jumps, also doing wonders for your explosive power.

Here's my gripe; weights are expensive (over the long haul) and unnecessary. Absolute strength isn't the ****ing be all and end all... You can develop strong muscles over the long haul with body weight exercises, or absolute and explosive strength if you wish. And some good balance. Why anyone would want to pay for this **** is beyond me.

Yes, weights can be integrated into a training regimen and their benefits will be seen. However, they can be substituted with the right body weight exercises, which, as it turns out, you'll be needing anyway, because weights on their own won't cut it. Most athletes are well rounded, not just strong.

 

If the muscle isnt trained for adaptabilty, niether is the thing that orchestrates the movement, the prorecreation ability is damaged by Feel, your early warning system, the alarm, doesnt work as well as it should.

 

Joker, theres a great one for the lower back and abdominal wall simular. It works every muscle in the body at the same time