Eder Jofre: Biggest disparity between resume and ATG standing?

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  1. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dont tell me you like Bjork now? For ****s sake Addie.
     
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  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I've been a Bjork fan for about 3-4 years, WhataRock.
     
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  3. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought Duran/Leonard I was about as masterful a clinic on in-fighting as I've ever seen. If the clinching were just that, it wouldn't have been so, but Duran's relentless work inside the clinch was nothing short of awe-inspiring, in my opinion.
     
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  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tin Ribs, do you believe that the draw is arguable in the Chavez fight? If not, isn't it a robbery by definition?
     
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  5. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was clearly a robbery. Chavez won 4 rounds at best.
     
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  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does anyone think Manuel Ortiz deserves a mention here?

    Most consider him a bona fide ATG, but his resume looks bereft of big names to me. Could be due more to my ignorance than anything else though....
     
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  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Then you agree with the general consensus. I just didn't see it.
     
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  8. emallini

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    Joe Frazier deserves a mention
     
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  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I like Joe Frazier's win column.

    Muhammad Ali
    Jerry Quarry x2
    Jimmy Ellis x2
    Oscar Bonavena x2
    Buster Mathis
    Bob Foster
    Joe Bugner

    Considering that I believe Quarry would make serious noise in today's division, as would Ellis and Bonavena, and that his victory over Ali is one of the best wins of all time. Not too shabby.
     
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  10. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He fought quite a few top bantamweights of the era, and some featherweights as well. I think his record is solid by bantamweight standards, the names are rather obscure though and it's unclear how good these men were without film.

    To come up with some kind of a list for the moment:

    Lou Salica
    Tony Oliveira
    David Young
    Little Pancho
    Little Dado
    Lauro Salas
    Harold Dade
    Carlos Chavez
    Benny Goldberg
    Larry Bolvin
    Luis Castillo
    Richie Lemos
    Jackie Jurich
    Rush Dalma
    Horace Mann
    Theo Medina

    A lot of rated fighters and title challengers.
     
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  11. horst

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    If you scored the Chavez fight for Pea (as I did) and the Oscar fight for Pea (as I did), then his resume is very impressive indeed by contemporary standards. Wins over Chavez, De La Hoya (peak), Nelson, McGirt (when Buddy was top 3 p4p), Vasquez, Hurtado, Rivera, Pineda, Paez, Ramirez, Haugen, Mayweather, Williams...

    For his era, I think it is excellent.
     
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  12. horst

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    :deal
     
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  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Good points.

    Would that account for a top 15 placing in your opinion?
     
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  14. horst

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    Pryor-Arguello is a more epic/exciting fight than Duran-Leonard 1, but for me Duran-Leonard 1 is the absolute pinnacle of televised boxing, simply because it is THE best example of a fight where two of history's true elite were in their primes and both produced the goods, big time. Some utterly incredible action in there, insanely high-level stuff.
     
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  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    :conf Very good fight, an all-time great performance. That's how I see it.
     
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