Challengers shutting out the Champion

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  1. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    "He's looking like a punching bag right now - they should just put Everlast on him and let Whitaker punch".

    One of the more memorable quotes uttered by the commentary team during Pernell Whitaker's boxing lesson over Greg Haugen. Haugen was lauded as being a "game" fighter, who was notable for his toughness and his refusal to yield, however, in this fight, there were many times Whitaker found himself throwing combination's at a stationary target. Haugen would often fire back his own shots during the early goings, but later resorted to laying on the ropes taking body punches.

    The commentary team acknowledged Whitaker's hand-speed as being a huge factor, but also suggested at one point that maybe his opponent was dead at the weight. First time I've heard about this? Haugen looked like a fighter who was out of his depth - outclassed, not one who was dead at the weight. This fight looked similar to Floyd Mayweather vs Shane Mosley in spots. Haugen just looked scared to initiate the action because he was getting countered, and he didn't have the speed to get out of the way of Whitaker's jab.

    Whitaker was brilliant. I liked how he closed the show, and continued to dominate the closing minute of the 12th just to ensure the decision. Apparently he had been robbed in his first title effort against Ramirez and did not want a repeat of that decision. Every time Haugen threw a straight right hand he seemed to be met with a counter left. Every time he jabbed he would miss, and be jabbed himself. I was feeling sorry for Haugen as early as the 7th.

    What other fights can you think of where the challenger has pitched a shut out over the champion? Where the fighter trying to take the title has won practically every second of every minute of every round.
     
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  2. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Lora vs Zaragoza
    kalule vs Kudo


    You only wanting fights that went the full route, or bouts klike Nunn vs Tate as well?.
     
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  3. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Yeah, fights that went the distance. There have been many, many fights where the challenger has came and dominated the champion on route to claiming a stoppage, but I can't seem to think of many where the challenger simply posed a shutout. I'm sure there are many examples, though.
     
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  4. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Chan-Hee Park vs Miguel Canto was a near shutout i'd say, though not a stone cold easy to score wipeout like Whitaker vs Haugen.

    Jiro watanabe vs Rafael Pedroza was very one sided, though it's been a while since i watched it.
     
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  5. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I haven't seen either of these two fights, but I'm sure I remember you mentioning Chan-Hee Park as being an underrated fighter not too long ago.

    I assume it was a faded Miguel Canto that he outclassed?
     
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  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Haugen seemed more at a loss as to what to do than dead at the weight to me. Any time he tried to initiate something he found himself getting stung by left jolts to the head. He was too slow to outbox Pea on the backfoot, and with Pea's educated inside game he found himself being pinned to the ropes and gutted.

    Other shutouts against the champ:

    Pernell Whitaker vs. Rafael Pineda
    Buddy McGirt vs. Simon Brown
    Hector Camacho vs. Jose Luis Ramirez

    Some that were close to whitewashings:

    Lionel Rose vs. Fighting Harada
    Henry Armstrong vs. Barney Ross
    Luis Rodriguez vs. Emile Griffith II
    Tyrone Everett vs. Alfredo Escalera
    Salvatore Burruni vs. Pone Kingpetch
     
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  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, I was about to post...it HAD to be a nearly shot Canto for that to happen. In his prime I'd pick Canto to shut out Park.
     
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  8. dbouziane

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    didnt baer knock down carnera damn near a dozen times before it was stopped? i've seen clips of the fight and know it was a viscious ass whipping but don't know if it would qualify.

    as i understand it carnera put up a fight as far as the scorecards go but 11-12 times is a **** load of punishment
     
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  9. JLP 6

    JLP 6 Fighter/Puncher Full Member

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    Chavez - Rosario.

    I cannot think of a challenger giving a more conviencing, studied, beating.

    Rosario did not win one second of any round.
     
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  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Canto wasn't at his supreme best, but he was still very very capable.

    Park's jab really seemed to off set canto, been a while since I seen it actually so can't comment further.

    He's more forgotten than underrated, as he was a total headcase who achieved way less than his potential allowed.

    Wasn't a shut out or a whitewash IMO. Griffith kept it very competitve despite losing more rounds.

    Very, very bold pick.

    Park poses a very tough challenge for Canto even at his best. Trust me.
     
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  11. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd favor a well grounded Park over any version of Canto, to be honest.
     
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  12. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I think anyone would and should favour Park.
     
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  13. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Clearly not, unless we completely dismiss the opinion of Red Cobra, who I consider to be a good poster.
     
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  14. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What about the rematch? I thought Canto looked horrid against an unknown Thai challenger months earlier. There's no doubt he was on his last legs, not that he was ever unbeatable with his physical limitations.
     
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  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    He is. I am guessing he has not seen the Canto vs Park footage as it is a very comprehensive performance by Park and he really dominates, hard to see Canto having much success against Park, to be honest.

    If Red Cobra has seen the footage it would be very interesting to hear his opinion on how Park would be defeated by Canto.
     
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