Ariza concoctions a cause for concern?

Yeah it is funny because you don't know crap about boxing. A bench press doesn't have much to do with throwing a punch. The more effective exercise would be push ups since it recruits muscles in groups and doesn't isolate them.

A punch relies on your core (twisting) and momentum brought from the floor shifting your weight from from back to front by stepping, twisting, and using your bicep and tricep to stiffen the arm like a steel pole to allow a flex while avoiding hyper-extension of the elbow.

Punching like you describe would be slap punching. Your traps have crap to do with punching! Tell the truth you clown. You have never boxed in your life.

 

Ummm I am pretty sure benching recruits multiple muscles to perform the lift. Chest, triceps, and shoulders being the major muscle groups involved. Abs, and back being involved as well.

 

Exactly man. Punching power is a function mostly of bio mechanics and technique. Punchers are born.

Now "feats of strength" can be GREATLY improved by outstanding trainers. Most times a boxer can't be effective because his physical body fails him and his technique and mental focus fail him soon after. Kermit's FITNESS improved greatly allowing him better to apply his boxing TECHNIQUE. Thank you also for schooling this clown on punch mechanics.

The FACT is that a guy doesn't fight his entire career at one level, get a new trainer in the TWILIGHT of his career, and then literally destroy the history books. It is unheard of.

 

WTF! You are embarrassing yourself here! A push up is better than bench press? Christ! you are ******ed! Bench press and push ups have the same effects since it will develop mostly the pectoralis and the trapezius muscles and not the biceps,triceps, and deltoid. They are generally the same! Moron!

I dont have to box just to know boxing asswipe!

 

It does to a VERY limited extent, but it isn't some ratio relevant to boxing, "Bench = X :: Punch = Y". So much so that it isn't even relevant. Now don't get me wrong, you need "measures" to track progress.

More effective would be compound movements such as those done with calisthenics and kettle bells. Benching puts a person on a stable platform severely isolating the muscles involved in the movement. That doesn't mean nothing else is involved.

 

Yes a push up is better than a bench press. Just like a squat thrust is better than a squat and a dead lift. Especially so for boxing. Funny thing is that you have probably never done a bunch of push-ups versus bench pressing. If you did, you would notice the extremely variations in the affected muscle groups.

Yes you do. You are a moron on the subject. You have no idea of what it takes to do what you are talking about. That is why you keep up this verbal diarrhea. Join a boxing gym, wail away on a heavy bag, then tell me how sore your pecs are.

 

I always did a pre camp with Kermit where the focus was strictly building strength and power with heavy basicc weight training, as we began regular camp I would phase out the weight training and focus on dips, chins, and plyos to develop explosiveness.

 

Those are just one of the factors about punch. There are born punchers but punching techniques and power can be develop. Muscles definitely HELPS in a lot of ways.

1. Muscles or good physic
2. Punching techniques ( "twisting" motion)
3. Leverage

Put those 3 together and you'll develop a destructive punch.

 

No sweat. I will explain the left hook. the power of the hook is generated by the rotation of the the trunk. Increasing the speed at which you can rotate the trunk is going to help increase the power of the punch, but the position of the arm musty be correct as well. I hate guys that reach with there hook. When properly thrown the arm should be at a right angle knuckles inline with the wrist, wrist in line with the forearm, and forearm inline with the elbow. The further you deviate away from that perfect right angle that less effective the punch becomes. When the arm is lined up right you have more pyysical mass behind the punch, and if you factor in an explosive rotation of the torso then you have yourself a KO punch.

 

Word up man. I can see where you are coming from with that. Build up the strength (bulk) and endurance base then work on tuning (coordination/recruitment) and functional (application of boxing) strength (explosiveness) and endurance.

I completely understood your first post. It spoke to the NEED for a professional athlete to have a professional trainer. Anyone who trains knows that training for a fight is almost as damaging as it is healthy. The trick is peaking. Those are things that a great trainer is CRITICAL for.

My only beef with the Manny situation is the reluctance to test. If I was Manny's trainer and I pulled this crap off? I would be EVERYWHERE shouting for Manny to test. Can you imagine Ariza's power and fame if this is STRICTLY above board? It doesn't make sense.

 

I in no way discredited learning how to punch. I am saying a hard puncher is born that way. The guy is heavy handed and can KO most guys he meets on the street. At an elite level you have to be a technically sound hard puncher to deliver that power.

Everything you listed above are functions of the MECHANICAL structure of a person's body. That is why people who are successful at certain activities usually begin to trend toward specific body builds.

Boxers can be trained. Punchers are born.

 

Yeah we used to keep our fingers crossed that kermit would make would make it through camp with out an injury or illness. the demands put on the body during camp are unreal. Something most people don't comprehend. About 2 weeks out from the fight Kermits training volume was reduced by roughly 90%, and there were no impact exercises. Mostly shadow boxing, and elliptical machine. Those two weeks of rest was like a rebirth for him. Everyone used to think we were crazy for how we did things, but those two weeks were like magic for him. Fully recovered from al the work he put in. we also didn't start the weight loss until about 4 days out from weigh in. Kermit would be 164 four days before weigh in. Ate 3 meals a day till the day before weigh in. We started reducing liquid intake at 4 days out. Day before weighin he had a big breakfast, and a light lunch. then dried out. Always made weight with ease. Never had to be at 147 for more then a few hours. By the time fight ime came he was always back up to 160-164 lbs.

 

Manny was on board with NORMAL negotiation procedures...Not the circus Floyd created by calling Manny out, discrediting him, then spreading the damaging comments that he couldn't support ect. ect. ect. The OSDT demands were laughable considering how they came to be.

Everything was 50/50....until the accusations and OSDT demands came in to the picture. Manny had to go beyond the half way mark just to get Floyd to the table.

And no need to "chalk it up" Slick....We know what JMM was guranteed. And $1 million step aside money wasn't enough.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4485941

Floyd has made PLENTY of "Offical" statements throughout the year on his views about Manny being on the "A SIDE" and "Power pellets". Maybe you haven't looked for those statements but if you tried you'll surely find what you are looking for.

 

Where did you guys stand on "between fight" fitness? Was there a regimen or was he pretty disciplined in keeping in general shape?

 

Dude you are seriously delusional. So $10 million a pound is "NORMAL"? You do know that Mike Tyson requested extra testing for Holyfield? You also know that SRL has made all types of crazy requests and is the reason championship fights are 12 rounds.

The OSDT demands were REASONABLE and a CLEAN fighter would have NO PROBLEM meeting them to take part in the MOST LUCRATIVE fight in HISTORY.

Everything was ALWAYS 50/50. OSDT was an ORIGINAL demand. Mayweather negotiated down to the 50/50 cut off of two weeks. Pac refused and your dumb ass backs it up saying "next was 18 days". This is what you blind *******s do.

I don't believe a word coming out of Dan "The Fat Man" Rafael's mouth. This is the same idiot who can't get Arum to state specifically the terms agreed to in testing. And if you look, it says "a source". That means that there is no verification from Golden boy. And if $1 mill from Mayweather wasn't enough then Top Rank could have easily tossed in another $1 mill, but... They didn't want the fight. :deal

This year idiot. AFTER fight negotiations fell through TWICE. I have heard him cracking jokes. So now if a fighter says another fighter is "weak, not worthy, unskilled..." are we to believe it? How about if he says he will treat him like a "woman"? Should the other fighter back out because the other guy doesn't believe he is a man? The crap you *******s present is so stupid it is almost not funny.