Most controversial decisions or fights to close to call

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  1. gooners!!

    gooners!! Boxing Junkie banned

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    Watch it again bud, I thought that, however it wasn't as close as I first thought when I watched it back, a clear Toney win in a close fight I thought on second viewing.


    I had McCallum winning the rematch something like 8-4, he just outworked Toney.


    My card.........


    1 McCallum ( very close)

    Toney inactive , McCallum dictated the pace and was consistent throughout, this was an extremely close round, punch stats ...........35% of McCallums punches landed compared to 29% for James

    2 Toney

    Good round for Toney, he took it on the more solid punches landed, although mccallum seemed!
    to be a little more active with the jabs.

    3 McCallum
    He controlled it with the jab, dictate the pace, he landed a sneaky right hand, he also landed a clipping left hook
    after that.

    4 McCallum

    Toney scored the best punch of the round, however
    McCallum landed the jab consistently throughout to head and body
    he also landed a number of right hands, some were countered by toney, some were not,
    i could not give toney this round on one punch, he was too inactive here,
    McCallum jabbed the belly and head throughout whilst also landing counter rights


    5 McCallum

    Toney landed the best punch of the round, a cracking right hand but i
    cant score a round on 1 solid punch, not when McCallum landed his own
    counter right hands and threw the jab consistently to the body and head, not as
    effectively as he did in other round, but toney virtually did nothing aside from that right
    hand, in this round McCallum threw 356, landed 132, 37%, toney threw 320, landed 116, 36%

    6 Toney

    (Jab through 5 rounds..............McCallum landed the jab 93 times to Toney's 63 times)

    Arguably Toneys best round, he landed quite a few solid shots in this
    round, it was unlike round 4/5 where he landed one great punch but
    got outworked, he still didn't do a lot here but he landed a number of those solid
    shots as appose to one like in the previous two rounds.


    7 Toney
    Toney scored the more effective solid shots but mccallm closed well, still gave it to
    Toney though. 40% each through 7 rounds


    8 Toney

    More solid punches scored by Toney in this round, although McCallum closed it up towards the end, still
    a toney round though imo.

    9 McCallum "Bill Miller to Toney " were losing this fight"

    McCallum's best round in terms of solid punches landed on James



    10 Toney

    landed some solid shots here.

    11 Toney

    Landed the cleaner harder shots, McCallum again more active.

    12 Toney

    Clearest round of the fight.


    Compubox

    James Toney threw (823) landed (340) 41%

    Mike McCallum threw (890) landed (343) 39%


    Total jab

    James Toney threw(373) landed(131) 35%

    Mike McCallum threw 556 landed (211) 38%



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    McCallum vs Toney 2

    1 Toney

    He landed the cleaner blows and for a change he was more active than he was
    in some of the rounds of the first fight.

    2 Mccallum ( Toney landed 32, threw 118, 27 %, McCallum landed 45, thew 127, 35%

    Toney started well but faded, McCallum controlled the action
    from there on in by landing consistently with the jab, body shots
    and a nice left hook.

    3 Toney
    Good solid round for Toney, he was fairly consistent with his
    workrate.

    4 Toney
    Landed the better, more solid shots, McCallum closed well but not enough
    for me.


    5 McCallum

    Both landed good shots but more so McCallum, he landed more consistently
    throughout the round, his jab was consistent also.

    6 McCallum

    Toney was too inactive, McCallum dictated the action with his
    jab and scored effectively to the body.


    7 McCallum (very close)

    Toney was too inactive imo, although he did land some solid shots, he
    was far too inactve for me, whilst McCallum was consistent with his
    acttack.

    Through round 7 McCallum has thrown 490 punches, landed 200
    Toney has thrown nearly a 100 fewer punches and landed 75 fewer.


    8 Toney ( Point deduction from McCallum, absolute BS, he did a Pernell Whitaker backhand in the clinch)
    Toney scored some good inside right hands off the ropes, whilst rolling McCallum's shots.

    9 McCallum (Toney only threw 50 punches in this round, leasted amount of punches thrown for either
    fighter in either of their two fights)

    Toney waay!! too inconsistent, McCallum was on top of him working away the whole
    round.

    (punches threw 10, Toney landed 184, threw 575, 32%
    Mccallum landed 287, 704, 41%)

    10 Toney

    Better round for toney, more active.

    11 McCallum
    Consistently attacked the whole round.


    McCallum has landed nearly a 100 more punches

    12 mccallum
    Good round for McCallum, he out landed Toney and scored well.



    Toney clearly should not have won this fight imo, he got outworked throughout, he did land the harder
    shots in some round but he was waay too inactive in most of the rounds.

    Round 2 ( Toney landed 32, threw 118, 27 %, McCallum landed 45, thew 127, 35%)

    Through round 7 McCallum has thrown 490 punches, landed 200
    Toney has thrown nearly a 100 fewer punches and landed 75 fewer.

    (Toney only threw 50 punches in this round, leasted amount of punches thrown for either
    fighter in either of their two fights)

    (punches threw 10, Toney landed 184, threw 575, 32%
    Mccallum landed 287, 704, 41%)


    7 rounds to 5, Toney did not win even with Cortez's BS point deduction.

    I scored the first fight for Toney tonight and i can hold my hands up and say having thought Toney got lucky the first
    time i saw it having scored it he won a clear competitive fight, but no way did he win this rematch, McCallum
    clearly won this imo.
     
  2. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Williams-Martinez 113-113

    gooners, I had Toney-McCallum:

    Toney - McCallum I

    1 9:10
    2 10:9
    3 10:9
    4 10:9
    5 9:10
    6 9:10
    7 9:10
    8 10:9
    9 9:10
    10 10:9
    11 9:10
    12 10:9

    114-114

    don't have the notes from that fight but I remember that it wasn't bad decision for me as both fighters showed a lot in this fight.
     
  3. Farmboxer

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    Dale Brown Vs. O'Neil Bell was a total mismatch! Bells' fans booed the sick decision.
     
  4. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Oh give it up man

    Morales lost a clear decision in the first fight, could be wide or could be close either way anything that favored Morales was a clear cut robbery.

    Morales won a razor thin decision in the 2nd fight, one could score it for Barrera if they were reaching for him.

    Morales lost the 3rd fight clearly and was out of distance before the championship rounds.
     
  5. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Try Hatton/Collazo

    Ive rewatched the fight 4 different times and everytime I change my scorecard for the other fighter.
     
  6. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    IMO, Toney won both fights based on the harder punches.

    In the first fight McCAllum just landed 3 more punches overall. Toney hurt him a few times during this fight and McCallum was out on his feet in the 12th round which could have been scored a 10-8 round.It was competitive but Toney won by anywhere from 2 to 4 points.


    Second fight. Though he landed many more blows, McCallum only threw arm punches, nothing on them. In the first fight McCAllum threw punches with much more authority. Once again, Toney lands the harder, more telling blows. I scored this one 7-5 for Toney. With the point deduction, that gives a three point margin for Toney.
     
  7. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    Thanks for the tip :good

    I had it 116-111 Marquez
     
  8. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    De La Hoya - Quartey

    this was a tricky one to score!

    I had it 113-112 De La Hoya. Last round KD saved him
     
  9. jaffay

    jaffay New Orleans Hornets Full Member

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    I rescored Valuev-Haye. I had it 118-110 Valuev but wasn't happy with it. This time I had 114-114. Very difficult fight to score and a torture to watch.
     
  10. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    jeff fenech - azumah nelson 1.
     
  11. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I had it pretty similar, Williams 114-112


    Yes, I can admit that I am biased, but trying to watch this fight objectively, this is what I come up with.
     
  12. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    not hard to tell where you're from
     
  13. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i'll stay on point if you can tell me why you want to dismiss the hatton-collazo and froch - dirrell fights so easily.
     
  14. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you've definitely got a strong british bias though. i remember posting on your "why does hatton not get the respect he deserves?" thread - which i agreed with.

    shame you're posting like you did above though because you've definitely got some nationalism there somewhere

    EDIT : which isn't necessarily bad unless it's the basis for your arguments..
     
  15. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am not a strong Hatton fan , but if a fighter wins the first 6 or 7 rounds , plus a knockdown , then loses the last 5 rounds he doesnt lose the fight. Period. Infact if anything the more contentious bout was Collazo vs Berto .