Whos is better? Ottkes 21 defences or Hopkins 20 defences?

The sad problem you have is that you dont understand alot of posts and then change what has been said and make up lie, Im not sure what you dont understand. I havent said Ottke is better for making 21 defences over 20, that is more of your lies. More of your lies also told when you say Bailey Mode Tate and Markussen are better than Taylor atsch. Shameful to go telling lies, but here you have exposed yourself as a liar on a live forum, losing even more respect
I understand how deep your feelings for Hopkins are, so I will try not to keep putting my personal stalker into a flood of tears :| as I explain.

Hopkins had lost twice and drawn once before winning a world title, Ottke was undefeated and won his first world title in his 13th fight

Hopkins won the WBO & WBA title from smaller fighters. Joppy & Holmes had already been KOd and beaten at a lower level.
The 2 fighters Ottke beat werent naturally smaller than Ottke. Brewer wasnt a great with 5 losses but he was world class and a tough fight for a 12 fight novice to overcome. Mitchell had never clearly been beaten and was a world class fighter and 2 time world champ.

Obviously the examples I gave you from those 2 posts were beyond you atsch. Do you not think that naturally bigger fighters like Larsen would be able to handle a far more talented but smaller fighter like De La Hoya? Now im a fan of Oscar, but except he couldnt perform well above LMW, & remember Hopkins debuted at LHW, so won most fights when the bigger man in the ring . Fact
Hopkins had a problem with Taylor and lost. Ottke may have had problems against some fighter but found a way to win, when often the smaller lighter punching fighter :happy

You note Hopkins fought 5 champs failing to mention 2 of them are smaller fighters, one of them he lost and all 2 divisions lower than where he debuted .

Only De La Hoya in a lower division and G Johnson went on to world glory after Hopkins beat them, showing the stages they were at in their careers. Yet Ottke beat 3 fighters who went on to world honours and none of those were in lower weight divisions.

:nut I really think my ***** Realegg&soulja Pwned me :nut
You see Realsoulja once again exposed as a liar . I just cant respect liars

 

Wrong again, but I see your trying to jump on the bandwagon :dead.
Read the reply and you can see I exposed Rsoulja as a liar atsch. Shameful :-(.
I defend fighters who deserve respect and credit wherever they are from :hi:

 

You see this is where you havent read the first page.
I havent said I think Ottkes better, I wrote he had a more impressive reign during his 21 title defences compared to Hopkins 20 defences, not career overall.

Read a bit more carefully if you are going to make comments atsch

 

Once again it has been proven that elite posts have shone through and made these minions fall face down.
Rayhogan has been exposed as a 'yes' man, who relies on others to try and debate so he can write something like 'I agree', without having a point of view, of his own.
Realsoulja has once again been exposed as a blatant liar, who has to tell lies when his debates begin to fall apart.

Excellent work from Headbanger & Timeout, who along with myself have proven a point to the minions who litter ESB

 

I only glanced at this rubbish to realise that you were once again telling lies, because

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etc. I said Ottkes SMW reign was overall better than Hopkins 20 MW defence reign, not career overall.
Exposed as a liar again . Thats 2 posts running where ive proven you as a liar.
A kid of 22 writing son and boy atsch. What a dick .

Ive said on many posts on here that many felt Reid beat Ottke and the refereeing was awful (always followed Reids career). But do you really feel Starie beat Ottke? If so you must be the one on Boxrec, because I watched it live on TV when you were about 15 and probably past your bed time.

Still as said ive only glanced at odd bits because when I saw you were lying again, I didnt waste to much time. Not on a liar :dead

 

You see when you are a fan of a certain fighter, you dont see both sides. I respect both fighters and look at both careers with an even note.
If you think thats a beating you are very wrong because it has many lies in it, and liars cant be respected