Whos is better? Ottkes 21 defences or Hopkins 20 defences?

hopkins has a better resume, and it isnt even close.

ottkes best win is arguably johnson, and hopkins schooled him.

ottke should have lost to reid and mitchell. those fights were easily as close as hopkins vs taylor 1&2

 

The sad problem you have is that you dont understand alot of posts and then change what has been said and make up lie, Im not sure what you dont understand. I havent said Ottke is better for making 21 defences over 20, that is more of your lies. More of your lies also told when you say Bailey Mode Tate and Markussen are better than Taylor atsch. Shameful to go telling lies, but here you have exposed yourself as a liar on a live forum, losing even more respect
I understand how deep your feelings for Hopkins are, so I will try not to keep putting my personal stalker into a flood of tears :| as I explain.

Hopkins had lost twice and drawn once before winning a world title, Ottke was undefeated and won his first world title in his 13th fight

Hopkins won the WBO & WBA title from smaller fighters. Joppy & Holmes had already been KOd and beaten at a lower level.
The 2 fighters Ottke beat werent naturally smaller than Ottke. Brewer wasnt a great with 5 losses but he was world class and a tough fight for a 12 fight novice to overcome. Mitchell had never clearly been beaten and was a world class fighter and 2 time world champ.

Obviously the examples I gave you from those 2 posts were beyond you atsch. Do you not think that naturally bigger fighters like Larsen would be able to handle a far more talented but smaller fighter like De La Hoya? Now im a fan of Oscar, but except he couldnt perform well above LMW, & remember Hopkins debuted at LHW, so won most fights when the bigger man in the ring . Fact
Hopkins had a problem with Taylor and lost. Ottke may have had problems against some fighter but found a way to win, when often the smaller lighter punching fighter :happy

You note Hopkins fought 5 champs failing to mention 2 of them are smaller fighters, one of them he lost and all 2 divisions lower than where he debuted .

Only De La Hoya in a lower division and G Johnson went on to world glory after Hopkins beat them, showing the stages they were at in their careers. Yet Ottke beat 3 fighters who went on to world honours and none of those were in lower weight divisions.

:nut I really think my ***** Realegg&soulja Pwned me :nut
You see Realsoulja once again exposed as a liar . I just cant respect liars

 

Wrong again, but I see your trying to jump on the bandwagon :dead.
Read the reply and you can see I exposed Rsoulja as a liar atsch. Shameful :-(.
I defend fighters who deserve respect and credit wherever they are from :hi:

 

You still think Ottke is better..........you should watch more boxing.

 

You see this is where you havent read the first page.
I havent said I think Ottkes better, I wrote he had a more impressive reign during his 21 title defences compared to Hopkins 20 defences, not career overall.

Read a bit more carefully if you are going to make comments atsch

 

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That's the smile of a true champion that crushed every opponent that dared to enter the ring with him. No wonder why Hopkins or the princess of Wales stayed as far as away possible from him. In 20 years people are going to be writing books about Sven's illustrious career.

 

Isnt he in that movie only Mummy and Daddy can watch?????

 

Once again it has been proven that elite posts have shone through and made these minions fall face down.
Rayhogan has been exposed as a 'yes' man, who relies on others to try and debate so he can write something like 'I agree', without having a point of view, of his own.
Realsoulja has once again been exposed as a blatant liar, who has to tell lies when his debates begin to fall apart.

Excellent work from Headbanger & Timeout, who along with myself have proven a point to the minions who litter ESB

 

Monzon had lost 3 times and drawn 9 times before winning a world title. So you think Ottke is better than Monzon atsch

Hagler had lost twice and drawn twice before winning a world title. So you think Ottke is better than Hagler atsch

HEADBANGER tell your boy man, even you know he took it far there.

This is the respect I got son:- The real recognise the real:-

This the respect you got:-

Man you the one who spent the last 2 weeks on Hopkins Boxrec. I watch his fights and respect the skills he has shown over the years. You been on Hopkins boxrec so long you forgot how he looked like, watch his fights instead of reading his boxrec that you favourited. Even your wife scorecards favoured Hopkins, what you on about son.

Ask 10 people who do they think won the fight Hopkins or Trinidad, 10 out of 10 will say BHop.
Ask that about Ottke and Brewer, 10 out of 10 will say Brewer. Ottke didnt even deserve the title.

So Hopkins did that Middleweight domination while weight drained even more impressive dont you think son.

Like Ottke found a way to win vs Reid, or Markussen, or Brewer or Starie, or Mitchell.

Hopkins deserved the decision vs Taylor, more than Ottke deserved it vs Reid/Markussen/Brewer/Starie/Mitchell/Tate1

Hopkins fought 5 champions showing he took the risks, ottke didnt take them kind of risks son.

Boy go and watch boxing.

 

Sorry Bailey , but I haven't seen a beatin' like that since somebody stuck a banana in my pants and turned a ****** loose.

Let it go man.

 

hopkins

 

I only glanced at this rubbish to realise that you were once again telling lies, because

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etc. I said Ottkes SMW reign was overall better than Hopkins 20 MW defence reign, not career overall.
Exposed as a liar again . Thats 2 posts running where ive proven you as a liar.
A kid of 22 writing son and boy atsch. What a dick .

Ive said on many posts on here that many felt Reid beat Ottke and the refereeing was awful (always followed Reids career). But do you really feel Starie beat Ottke? If so you must be the one on Boxrec, because I watched it live on TV when you were about 15 and probably past your bed time.

Still as said ive only glanced at odd bits because when I saw you were lying again, I didnt waste to much time. Not on a liar :dead

 

You see when you are a fan of a certain fighter, you dont see both sides. I respect both fighters and look at both careers with an even note.
If you think thats a beating you are very wrong because it has many lies in it, and liars cant be respected

 

What is this debate about, you wrote it in the thread title. WHO IS BETTER

atsch

Son, this is what you said:

Why did you mention that fact, it was because it was in response to my previous post about Hopkins clearly having a better reign than Ottke.

And if you are only talking about their respective reigns then why did you talk about Hopkins losing twice which was not part of his reign. son. You obviously mentioned it to make Ottke seem better. If you mentioned it for some other reason then go ahead.

Take this advice son. seriously.