De Gale will go further than Groves, im almost sure of it, provided he does not prove to have a shaky chin that limits his potential. Groves does not impress me as much as he does others, he looks like a good offensive fighter, infact I particularly like the combo he throwed against Contreras, it was a left hook to the body followed be a right hand, which kinda reminded me of a MAB combination, with that said, I think his technique is a bit sloppy, and his defense leaves a bit to be desired, now I personally dont like De Gale as a person, he seems to be really arrogant and immature, however calling it as I see it, I see more potential in him (De Gale)than Groves. Groves is unquestionably the more exciting of the two, which might be why some people are overlooking some of his defensive issues, or maybe not, what ever the case maybe, De Gale's style is based on defense to create offense, where as Groves defense seems to be his offense, only IMO he is still getting hit when on the offense, although not in his last fight, but I think those styles/intangibles is what will help one go further than the other. The other day I watched that amateur fight with De Gale and Groves, thought Groves might have edged it on his aggression, thought he outhussled De Gale somewhat, that said, he showed a wild, amateurish style imo, and it just made feel what I have always felt with him, which is that De Gale is a better fighter, albeit maybe not significantly. Groves is a good fighter, however I dont think he is as! good a prospect as he is spoken about by fans. I would also say that De Gale is getting underrated because he is disliked. Thoughts?
Too early to say. DeGale hasn't even had to settle on a style or tactic to beat any of his opponents so far and Groves is still getting away with that low left hand against the guys he's been fighting.
All he's had to do is get in there, hit his opponents enough times and thats been enough. It''ll be interesting to see what happens when he steps up and guys start giving him different problems that he'll have to adapt to.
Yeah, and the thing is, his personality seems to suggest, arrogance, which suggests complacency could be an issue down the road, he also seems to me, like a fighter who doesn't actually settle into a set style/rhythm, like he tries to be too clever for his own good, to the point where instead of confusing the opponent, your confusing yourself and stopping yourself from establishing any kinda rhythm in the fight.
Yeah, he was giving it all the shoulder rolls last fight... but to me, he was just mimicking Floyd for no reason, he didn't need to be doing it, and in a moment of need it won't stand him in good stead like it does Floyd - who has been schooled in that style. It just illustrated to me how very, very far off the elite fighters he is. As you'd expect after seven fights. In terms of a comparison to Groves, you just won't know until they face some real live opposition who is the better of the two.
Agree, it will actually get him into trouble imo, look what it did for Mitchell when he tried to use is against Katsidis, look what happened to Cintron when he tried to use it against Margarito, he got a thorough beating for it, its as you say, Floyd has been schooled in that style for years, he knows when to use it, how to use it, just doing token moves because you have seen another fighter do it is a sure fire way to get yourself into trouble imo, especially when you dont have extensive experience implementing that style.
Groves stance will cause him issues, His legs are to far apart for my liking and he seems ok when unleashing on a guy who stands in front of him.I like to see how he reacts when he has to pick his feet up, cut the ring off and break his man down. He also leaves himself in precarious situations and will get dropped now and then...problem is he may get dropped and not get back up against a decent fighter. DeGale's problem is the experimentation of styles and techniques, Do that in sparring not in the ring, It's time for him to stamp his own style and go about his work with some meaning. He's better defensively which i think will stand him in good stead compared to Groves.
To early to say. Like others have pointed out De Gale has not fought anyone who stands up to him. At least Groves has had a bit of a test. Saying that though i do like the improvements i have seen in De Gale. I was not a big fan of his at first and thought that Groves would handle him quite easily. However De Gales improvements (albeit against poor opposistion) and Groves alarmingly porous defense make me lean slightly to De Gale if they were to meet any time soon (unless of course De Gale has a weak chin or loses it the first time he gets a hard dig to the chops). Either way it is going to be fun seeing how these two develop. I like watching them both (although i could probably get along just fine if i never see a De Gale interview again. He is a bit annoying).
Good post Mandanda, agree with most of what you said, particularly the bolded. I was sitting there trying to work out what it is about Groves's style that makes him look so awkward, I'd also noticed that his stance is too wide, but also, that he leans his torso to the left hand side, which is the type of thing that will mess with your balance overall, cause as you probably already know, one small issue with your balance, technique, can knock everything out of sync. I think Booth should work on Groves's balance, iron out those kinks, cause as of now, I see De Gale being the guy with less flaws in his technique that can be exploited, when comparing his and Groves potential.
I think Groves is the better boxer and would beat Degale. Degale is quick, but slaps (didn't hurt Calzaghe mind) and is wide open. His power is nothing special and I think Groves picks his shots better. But time will tell, it is difficult to really judge Degale based on who he has fought and in the last fight, it was a ludicrous stoppage but an impressive performance.