Where is Holyfield on your ATG Heavyweight list?

Just above tyson and Below lewis around 8 - 10

 

I have him at 13 just behind Riddick Bowe and just ahead of Lennox Lewis - 8 would be ridiculous and criminal IMO - actually can't think of the words really - but anyone who thinks there's only been 7 better heavyweights in history has got a screw loose (IMO) atsch

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As high as 5 and as low as 10. He fought every one out there. 3 close fights with Bowe - imo top 20 HW. He defeated past prime but still dangerous Mike Tyson. Beat great veterans in Holmes and Foreman. His 3 fights with Ruiz are underrated I think. He also beat a great group of good and very good fighters like Moorer, Rahman, Mercer, Douglas, Dokes etc. He was robbed against Valuev at 142 years old.

 

10-15. I mostly go on how I imagine the AT hvys would do if they came along in the same time and developed in analogy to how they developed in their own time. Now, if I were time-machining them together, each as they were at their best, I'd have Holyfield higher, 4-10.

 

top 5

 

People judge him on what he did past the age of 30 too much. At age 30-

He was 28-0 (22) overall and 10-0 (7) in World Title Fights.

He had been the Undisputed CW and was the Undisputed HW Champion.

He had defeated Hall of Famers Qawi x2, Foreman, and Holmes.

He had beat 3 Lineal HW Champions in Douglas, Foreman, and Holmes.

He had went 11-0 (7) vs. 10 different World Title Belt Holders. They were Booze, Qawi x2, Parkey, Ocasio, DeLeon, Thomas, Dokes, Douglas, Foreman, and Holmes.

He did a hell of a lot past age 30 even though his best days were behind him.

 

I have Holy at 6.
Only Ali has a higher quality selection of wins.

 

Got beat by Bowe when both were at their bests, and got stopped by him too, beat an awful Buster, made to struggle by big fat anchient Foreman, and big fat anchient contact-lenseless Larry Holmes (and badly cut by him), nearly stopped by a third choice replacement in trial horse Bert Cooper, struggled with an anchient Bobby Cysz, got beat by Michael Moorer, got absolutely whooped by a past his best Lennox Lewis, butted the hell out of Mike Tyson for two fights, butted Rahman til he had a brick growing out the side of his head, fought life and death with an anchient Dokes - OK the Valuev thing yeah - but to be honest I kind of expected even an anchient Holyfield to beat him (and for Val to get the decision anyway) but he really got shown up and really embarrassed badly by James Toney atsch

 

#7. Ahead of Lewis and Tyson. Best HW since Holmes

 

#7 or #8.

I personally have him #7 and Lewis #8. I can't ***** TOO much if you reverse it though.

 

You've got a very extreme view going right there. He won 8 or so of the fights you mention, shame on him

Give us your magnificent 7 (+ your other 5 ahead of him) so we can cast the same criteria and brush over them as you have Holyfield above.

 

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Riddick Bowe may have beaten Holyfield on two occasions, but Evander has a far deeper resume and has beaten a great deal more quality fighters, along with the sole claim of being the division's only 5 time titlist... As for you rating him ahead of Lewis, well I think its preposterous that you don't even have Lennox in your top 10.. I could go on and on about my beef with this, but under the circumstances, I'm not even sure that its conversation worthy..