Julio Ceasar Chavez vs Floyd Mayweather at 130

Why do people paint out Whitaker to be some non-hittable entity in his prime?....Mayweather is on par with Pernell defensively, just because their means of not getting hit is different doesn't mean they are not in the same class defensively.

 

Mayweather handling speed better than Whitaker is one of the biggest myths going around.

If Mayweather faced Buddy McGirt he'd probably lose, not only be troubled.

Did you forget Mayweahter lost 4 rounds to Zab Judah? In which parallel universe would that happen to a prime Whitaker?

Mayweather was getting frazzled by a plodding DLH - if he faced a prime one like Whitaker did, especially at the stage Whitaker did in his career, even if Mayweather was well trained, he would be embarrassed.

Whitaker did have trouble with Hurtado, that much is true, but by that stage in his career Whitaker was not the fighter he was at his peak. If you want to make much of that fight you might as well say Whitaker had trouble with come forward plodders too, because Wilfredo Rivera was giving him all he could handle.

 

By the way - what a **** thread atsch

 

Two fighters in history I'd give a legit chance to beat Chavez at 130 lbs, one is Alexis Arguello, and the other is Mayweather Jr.

I know, Mayweather is a pick and chooser, I wish he'd fight all comers, but anyone that cant see his immense talent is outright blind.

 

Had nothing to do with Rivera plodding foward Scientist.

Height and reach my friend.

 

Chavez beat on Mayweather and I think he could defeat another one

 

:? I know your a fan of the old timers as am I, but you are putting Whitaker on a platform he doesnt belong. Hes not leagues ahead of a guy like Mayweather in anything but resume.
As far as Judah, he sparred with Pea a lot when he came out of the olympics, and I watched many of those sessions around 1995-96. Sure Whitaker was past his best, but he even admits Judah would have given him hell with his speed and power. Judah was a front runner but he had the skills to give alot of fighters trouble.

 

Again, an over-simplified view. Floyd was a different type of fighter at 130, and so was Chavez. He wasn't all that good at '47.

 

Prime Whitaker dropped rounds to Jorge Paez who is not nearly as talented as Zab Judah. And Zab in the first 4 or 5 rounds would give many ATG's problems if he doesn't get knocked out in a round or two.

And why do Whitaker fans seem to overrate Buddy McGirt?.....Was Buddy a very good fighter?.....Yes but not as good as Pernell fans make him out to be. Floyd UD12 McGirt.

 

No it isn't Hurtado, Mayweather, McGirt, all gave him plenty of problems and saw him ship more punches than normal. If Whitaker has problems with those 3 then yes he would lose a fair few rounds to Judah who is faster than anyone Whitaker faced. If Whitaker shut out Meldrick Taylor you would have a good case but they never fought

Floyd having problems against Delahoya? Since when is outscoring an opponent 2-1 having significant problems? Except it was probably more like 3-1 because DLH just wasn't landing anything

McGirt wasn't even that good, certainly not in Mayweather's class, you're only picking him over Floyd to hype up Whitaker

 

Like LH31 says Hoya was more predictable and left hook happy then, he got more balanced under Floyd Sr, he also was much smaller at 147 than what he grew into at 154lbs, he isn't having the same size advantages at WW. That same OScar had nightmares with Quartey jab and there is a good case for him losing to both Quartey and Whitaker FMJ outlanded that Oscar 2-1 anyway.

 

The boxer types Floyd has faced would be Judah, Delahoya, Hernandez, Marquez and Corley. The biggest challenges were Judah who was faster than Floyd, and Delahoya who was fast. Both had problems landing, people say Judah faded, which maybe true but Judah said he just couldn't land against Mayweather in the post-fight interview

I actually think Floyd has more defensive manouvers, esepcially if the shoulder roll isn't working for him. He is very underrated at parrying, some of his fights where people assume he's been hit on the ropes but in slow motion you can actually see him parry the punches away. He's also probably better.

Like I say Pea has better defensive footwork, better head movement/radar, better jab

 

Peak Chavez would be on Mayweather like a case of syphillis..for lack of a better analogy.

 

Had nothing to do but the **** up Whitaker's nose Vlade. Whitaker handled taller guys with bigger reach his whole career (Mayweather, Pineda, Brazier, Pendleton, Cardona etc.)

 

A prime Whitaker would have been over Judah from early on imo.

And who cares about sparring really?

Do you subscribe to the theory that Mayweather has trouble with speedy fighters because he had trouble with Paul Spadafora?

Maybe you'll be convinced Whitaker could handle speed because he kicked Camacho's ass when he was still an amatuer. Heck, since we're talking amatuers, check out Whitaker clowning the speedy two time Olympic gold medalist Angel Herrera if you think that sort of stuff means anything....

(It doesn't).:good