Compare PBF and Sweet Pea from the standpoint of technical skill

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  1. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Whitaker was definitely the better inside technician. PP said Mayweather is underrated inside and that's true of the people who claim he has no inside game, his physical strength is underrated in there and his close quarters defence is great.
     
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Mayweather looks very relaxed and this is one reason as to why he seldom seems to tire. I agree that Whitaker seems more like the natural, though, and more like he at times plays it by ear a bit. Mayweather always looks very disciplined and perhaps less spontaneous.
     
  3. teeto

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    :good Whitaker was born to box, it's ridiculous how good he was. No stylistic mentions needed, just amazing period.
     
  4. Godfather

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    Footwork/Lateral Movement - Pea
    Jab - Pea
    Radar/Head Movement - Pea
    Parrying - Equal
    lead right/left - FMJ
    lead hook - FMJ
    countering - Pea
    timing - Equal
    making adjustments - Pea
    Speed - FMJ
    in fighting - Pea
     
  5. Swarmer

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    Basically, I just see Whitaker having been a more complete fighter for a longer period of time. Some of the things Mayweather used to show off like his lateral movement, combinations, body punching and offensive capability overall have kinda fallen by the wayside recently.
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Easy fighter to like, no doubt.
     
  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jab - Whitaker
    Combination punching - Whitaker
    Body punching - Whitaker
    Clinching and infighting - Whitaker
    Footwork - Mayweather
    Accuracy - Mayweather
    Composure when getting hit - Whitaker
    Head movement - Whitaker
    Body movement - Whitaker
    Parrying & glove blocking - Mayweather
    Shoulder rolling - Mayweather
    Hooking - Mayweather
    Uppercut - Whitaker
    Counter punching - equal
    Timing - Whitaker
    Lead punching - Mayweather
    Straight Right/Left - Whitaker

    Can someone tell me what adjustments Mayweather made against the likes of say Judah, Hatton and DLH?

    I didn't really notice any adjustments. I noticed an old guy with a propensity to gas, another guy who is a 6 round fighter/headcase and a guy who wasted all his energy trying to compensate for his ridiculous lack of skill with a frenzied attack.

    If anything, Floyd just paced himself and upped the pace when opponents were starting to drop in intensity. Is that really an adjustment? I think adjustments are more when you try different things from a technical standpoint. Floyd just had a good strategy, I don't think he 'adjusted' in the way I defined it.
     
  8. lefthook31

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    I think some of those fights he changed the lead. He either started leading or made them lead. Judah had success early because Floyd was bringing a lot of pressure to him and Judah could counter a bit easier. I think he did the same thing with Corley and Mosley early in those fights and got tagged in all three.
     
  9. Leon

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    The Judah fight is the best example of Floyd's ability to adjust.

    He figured out how to take away Judah's left hand by the 5th. He used the shoulder roll to roll off Judah's left to the body.

    Figured out the proper distance to make Judah's lefts and jabs miss:
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    Got the angles to outjab Judah:
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    Got rid of the southpaw hook:
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    Kept countering Judah's jab with a hook over the top:
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  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Sounds impressive, but how much of this was due to Judah (typically) losing intensity? Once Judah's speed was neutralised Floyd was able to pick him apart, but he was trying the same things from the opening bell imo.

    Interesting post though, you might have some merit in what you say.
     
  11. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd didnt need to make adjustments against Hatton, he was beating him easily from the first bell.

    DLH, I agree. I didn't see many adjustments, just Hoya fading.

    In the Judah fight, Floyd changed up his attack, subtly. Not a big adjustment, but one the allowed him to land better when he came on and Judah began to fade. Straight right to the body, left hook upstairs. He found that combination, and when he put it to use, he took over the fight. In about the 8th, Judah was so bothered by it, and was looking for it, that Floyd started throwing the lead right to the head following the straight body shot and Judah took the bait, and got whacked heavily with right leads for this reason. Floyd also kept his hands up almost Winky Wright style following the 4th.

    I agree with you for the most part, but Floyd did make adjustments against Judah. The other two, not really.
     
  12. Bokaj

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    He stopped using the left hooks as much when he saw that Oscar was wise to them. Instead he started more with the lead right. That had some effect.
     
  13. Leon

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    Judah's superior handspeed and reflexes were giving Floyd trouble during the first 2 rounds.

    Floyd realized he had to go first.

    It was in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th where Floyd decided to paint Judah with some clean bodyshots.
     
  14. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll watch the fight tonight and look for this :good
     
  15. Leon

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    Floyd locked up Oscar's jab with his overhand right.

    He didn't bother to use his leaping left hook against Judah and Mosley for long, since they knew how to block it.