Andre Ward has the weight of America on his shoulders, can he live with it?

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    A good representive dosent illegally headbutt opponents :deal
     
  2. lastletter26

    lastletter26 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Headbutting in
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    's case vs Kessler is more of a dirty style than being straight up dirty. Let me explain...

    If you look at how kessler fights (1-2 stalking) you should know the style to beat it. BHop used it on trinadad, tarver and pavlik who all fight like kessler and just recently jean pascal used it against Dawson (didn't think it could work on dawson but they were completely unready for it strategically). There are differences in some things that
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    , bhop and recently pascal have done, but the main objective is to dart in making the upright stalker go backwards or become off balance. The style basically makes an opponent aware of the head as well as hands, giving more things to think about defensively. This gives the fighter an ultimatum which is either you back up and move or hold your ground and risk being headbutted.

    So yeah the GAMEPLAN is somewhat dirty but it has been shown to be a big trouble to 1-2 stalkers so you have to go with that gameplan if you have the physical tools to do so against a 1-2 stalker. You see
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    didn't do that to green because green isn't a 1-2 stalker. He won't do it to dirrell either because dirrell has too much footspeed and will pull the trigger on a straight left when
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    attempts to. Footspeed is the main factor which is why hopkins couldn't do it to calzaghe. So yeah it can be beat so I don't see it as very dirty. Alot of grey area with that but you got to understand why it's done. People don't just fight like that for no reason. They gameplan and do it because most fighters cant fight backwards and 1-2 stalkers are historically bad at it. Like I said before, It doesn't work on everyone though.

    Ward only did this one time and it was because kessler showed the Weakness against Calzaghe. Calzaghe made kessler go straight back with speedy shots and took kessler out his zone. Ward accomplished the same thing just in a different way. Ward didn't do it to green because green isn't a 1-2 stalker. If he fights any other 1-2 fighter then you can plan on seeing that gameplan used again. Regardless if anyone likes it or not, It should be understandable for someone to use that gameplan.
     
  3. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Lol...great points, how many times has he been penalized? How many of his fights have resulted in DQ? Sow your got damn ***** up and stop crying, I mean it's excuse, cry, excuse, cry. I mean ****, enough is enough, if you don't like do something about. Send your best and watch them get beat down, point blank. You take the "field" against Ward, brave ****ing bet douche, I mean you tell me who is better and we'll bump this thread as both fight going forward.

    As for the Kesslar was sick...sob...sob...sob, he shouldn't have taken the fight then, but he did, and he got his ass beat clearly and thoroughly. If the fought today, tomorrow, two years from now, four years ago the outcome would have been the same, Ward is better than him and that was established in the ring. You obviously work with a world of fantasy, I'm working in a world of reality, the reality is Ward kicked dudes ass and his excuses are irrelevant to me.

    You talk about Ridiculous praise, he's a ****ing World Champion fighter, he deserves praise, he's an Olympic Gold Medalist he deserves praise. Like it or don't like it, what he's got he EARNED, he has been given nothing.

    "You don't have like it, but you better learn to love it, because it's the best thing going today....Whooooo!" -Ric Flair
     
  4. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward is a bit overrated on here to be honest. he has one decent win.
     
  5. Icanteach2005

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    ughhhhh SPOT ON....!
     
  6. PH|LLA

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    how was Kessler rusty when Ward fought him? That's bull**** man.
     
  7. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol love the jealousy of ward. must mean he is donig something right.
     
  8. Elvizzz

    Elvizzz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To tell you the truth... Kessler was never the same after losing to Calzaghe...
     
  9. Eastcoast

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    Has there been any talk about who Ward's fighting next?
     
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    robert allan in oakland
     
  11. Interceptor

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    He wasn't **** before Calzhage.
     
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    :yep:yep:yep
     
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  14. miguel2010

    miguel2010 His hands are his weapons Full Member

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    **** me thats a lot of weight!
     
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