Starting To Think Lennox Lewis Is The Most Complete and Best Heavyweight H2H

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    Clean up on aisle 3...

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    Yeah, SNV suffers the same issue but his dominance is so revolutionary that we never have to question such an obvious thing... the friggin GOAT.

    I agree, but you said skills and physical attributes. Isn't size a physical attribute?

    I agree that styles make fights. But do you think a prime Holyfield beats Lewis? Are you saying that Holyfield is more complete and just not superior? My original question was to equate physical attributes, though.

    Great point. I agree that Holyfield is the one of the most complete Heavyweights and one of the most skilled Heavyweights but if we were to factor completeness, physical attributes, and H2H I don't think he'd come out on top. Holyfield would be in a fight against most men because he couldn't quite punch nor physically overwhelm you. He had to work for everything. Huge respect to the man. I also think Charles and Walcott are some of the most skilled HWs but their lack of physical attributes would cause them to lose against Bowe, Holmes, Ali, Lewis, etc.
     
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    I think I just came. No homo.
     
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    And Pete was worried this thread wouldn't turn into anything.
     
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    Coming from the guy who just talks about Heavyweights. In particular. :lol:

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    I know, such petty concerns. Almost 5 pages in 1 hour and 20 minutes.

    In other news, with Vitali's decision against Briggs he needs another decision or loss for Marciano to recapture his HW Championship KO record. Wohooho :happy :lol:
     
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    Doesn't count. Marciano's opponents were much lower quality. And he took all of those fools out by accumulation.
     
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    Well its not that i think he loses becuase of size alone, but i that i think the size as welll as their particular strength was enough to overcome completeness. Its hard for me to put into words...

    Like, i think Frazier with his strengh does well against Lewis, but is in a bad matchup vs Bowe. Ali with his strength does well against Bowe, but is in a bad matchup vs Lewis.

    So i see Frazier as extreme in his physical style and Ali is extreme in his style. Bowe is one extreme in his application of his physical attritubes and Lewis is another extreme in his.

    Holyfield i see as more complete and capable of fighting all four men's fights competitively on a technical level and more importantly, on a physical level. I stated his win and draw against the giants as i feel many of the past heavyweights would suffer greatly from the size disparity, with the exception of extreme style matchups(the Frazier and Ali comparisons etc). I think this makes sense and i think it suggests that Holyfield is a perfect example of being physically complete.

    His being relatively smaller may also be an advantage in certain instances, even. Although i see Frazier in a bad matchup against Bowe, Bowe's big ass could gas up against Frazier, cus its a big oxygen munching ass. Lewis could do the same if he has to chase Ali or is befuddled by his speed.
     
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    MRBILL, Mendoza, back me up on this.
     
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    :lol:
     
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    Hmmm I actually think Frazier might do better against Bowe than Lewis. Anywho...

    I understand, so he compensates for his size well due to his overall ability and skill. But you still wouldn't pick him to beat these guys, right? If he's the most complete HW it's without factoring natural and physical abilities like power, height, range, etc. Maybe he has the best skill package, and on some P4P list he's superior. I sort of view Holyfield like Charles and Walcott in thinking they're some of the most skilled HWs and could do well with some bigger Heavyweights but would ultimate lose to the best bigger HWs (Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Wlad, etc).

    Definitely in speed, agility, and stamina. Bowe seemed to have good stamina cause he wasn't as muscle bound as say Frank Bruno.
     
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  14. reznick

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    Lennox is a legendary heavyweight. But he wasnt fast enough to be considered top 5, in my opinion
     
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    Rez I know you think highly of Liston (I think he's in your top 5). Don't you think Lewis is just as fast if not faster than Liston? Lewis is certainly pretty quick for a big man. I think he was faster than Bowe.
     
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