Seriously, could anyone withstand Rocky's right against Walcott?

Tex Cobb
George Chuvalo
Muhammad Ali
Jimmy Young
Larry Holmes
Mitch Green
Tim Witherspoon.

 

I dont think so.
Walcott didn't see it coming.
Anyone taking that punch blind like that would have been KO'd.

 

13th round of a tough fight? I'm inclined to think that, if Tyson does get up, he's burnt toast.

Maybe it's different if the punch landed earlier in the fight.

 

Some of the bigger guys, probably. Size and leverage/hitting position played a part on how well that thing landed. Imagine that right reaching for George Foreman or Lennox's chin, it wouldn't be the same punch.

Obviously weight is a factor.

 

every man and his dog.

Don Cockell was a light heavy floored by Randy Turpin at 162 until his thyroid problem. Look at how many punches he took from Rocky. Most heavies would collapse having to throw that many punches.

Walcott was chinny look at his records, particulary against light heavies. If the guy had never been knocked down or once or twice by great punchers fair enough but that was not the case.

Charles was koed by single punches, Rocky took 24 rounds.

La Starza knocked down in the 1st, 3rd and 5th by Julio Mendes a year after facing rocky. Rocky gave La Starza a shot because everybody felt Rocky lost their first fight. Check out the punches La Starza takes.

Rocky's power was average at the highest level, his workrate was really special and thats what stopped his oppentents. For single punch power he is not even top ten in the 1950's. Thats based on Cockell, LaStarza and Charles being koed far easier by other fighters.

Rocky was death by fifty punches not one shot.

 

Sorry rant over, but look at majority of rocky's stoppages they are not single shots, they are a storm of punches. On his way up he koed a few guys with single shots, but you will only find 7 fighters who had not lost 2 or 3 times in their last six fights when they fought rocky. Unless you go way, way back. Until Walcott he was well protected.

 

Walcott stated on national TV that Marciano had better one punch powwer than Joe Louis, and Louis was sitting next to him at the time.


Walcott beat big punchers like, Elmer Ray x3,Curtess Hatchet Man Sheppard x2, Joe Baksi, Rex Layne ,and Tommy Gomez.

 

Perhaps all your points are good, but that particularly shot that he landed on Walcott, the power, the timing, the accuracy, and the fact that Walcott didn't see it, made it a brutally effective single punch.

I believe it would knock anyone out if it lands on the chin with the same power and accuracy and they fail to see it, and fail to roll with it.

 

Foreman
Lennox
Old Foreman
Tua
Ibeachui
Mavrovic
Merciless Mercer
Holyfeild

 

Wow! And I thought I was hard on Rocky's power.

 

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How's about Holyfeild who tuck Mega-Hard Haymakers on teh Cheen from Lennox X2 , Old Foreman, mercer, Tyson, Stewart, Savarese, Rahman And Dokes???

could a 185lb Man punch harder then those i list above?!? :?

 

Preposterous points...

-Cockell was just an ugly fight from a sloppy Rocky

-Walcott was certainly not chinny, having only been stopped by a Joe Louis combination after being properly fed and trained since his 1944 return to the ring. In this time he beat several powerful punchers like Charles, Elmer Ray, Harold Johnson, and Curtis Shepard. He was only dropped twice..by Louis and Charles in this time.

-After World War II, Charles was only dropped once and stopped by Walcott in the 10 years leading up to the Marciano fight. And that was a perfectly timed punch from a powerful man he had previously beat twice and would go the distance with again. He stood up to punches from Satterfield, Johnson, Layne, Ray, Valdez, Baski...etc.

-Yeah, LaStarza certainly got stopped AFTER being brutalized by Marciano in their rematch. In addition to the controversy surrounding the first Marciano fight, he also got his title shot by being a long time top contender to his credit, picking up a couple top 5 wins in his time.
rounds.

Obviously, Marciano had below average speed and resulting accuracy problems. To compenstate he was sometimes forced to sacrifice power for volume. Especially the LaStarza fight, where he was specifically trained to do this. However, when he hit clean he usually put his man to sleep with one shot, and his less accurate punches were very damaging.

 

Holyfield was a great fighter who took a great punch, was always in tip-top condition and rolled with the punches.

But imagining he took the shot flush, and blind (doesn't see it coming, doesn't have chance to roll with it), I think he gets KO'd.

It's not a case of whether 185 pound can punch harder, it's a case of can any human head and nervous system take the force generated by that man's perfect punch in a situation where the punch is not anticipated in the slightest ?
I say not.

But, hey, maybe Holyfield would never have allowed himself to be caught like that. He had great SKILL at taking punches, and that's something people seem not to appreciate.
People talk as if some of these guys are just taking flush shots on the chin all day without a care, but really they rolling with those punches, even the ones that land they soften the blow with skills of relaxation, fluid movement and iron will.
Walcott never had a chance.

 

i think 185lbs man -even marciano - is too-light to punch hard enough to KO teh most iron-chinned 215lb+ men....espesially Old Foreman, Lennox Or Holyfeild.

BUT - i kinda see your general point you make, it just Marciano is not heavy enough to get enough power to do that IMO. BUT - The punch by Rahman which KO'D Lennox would IMO KTFO any man exept Old Foreman, Lennox or Holyfield.

 

That's not really good logic then. Sure he could KO any 215+ man if he lands his best punch. He could knock ANYONE out.
marciano definitely hits harder then Holyfield, Stewart, Savarese, Rahman, Dokes, and Mercer for sure.