The argument that American Heavies are "in other sports"

In your analogy they all been playing football and would have destroyed anyone if they hadnt been?

 

these kinds of comments discredit anything factual you may have previously said


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They have produced the greatest SMW of all time.

Are you forgetting that America is 20 times the size of GB.

 

Both are Argentinian, not from the UK.

You mean Football. Football does not require athleticism? :huh

Football and boxing are completely different, the same way basketball and boxing are completely different, NFL and boxing " ".

So me making statement that football is taking all our middleweight champions, is about as valid as you making the statement that Basketball and the NFL is taking the potential boxing stars.

America made the Heavyweight division what it is. I agree with with the first 3 questions...but then come the excuses...It is no longer top of it's game because they can't find anyone to come close to beating the top Heavyweight's today.

What would the excuse be if America dominated a lower division (out of range of Basketball and NFL) for 100 years, but then hit a slump...and Europe, Mexico, etc took over?

 

nope....glass jaw

 

There's a huge difference between being a good athlete and being a fighter. Most of these strong, fast NFL players couldn't cut it in boxing. There's always been people like that but they aren't ever going to be world class fighters.

What turns good athletes into good fighters? Probably their background and desperation. American fighters have gone soft - America doesn't produce warriors any more. Even though there are still lots of American boxers, their mentality has changed. The days of the Philly fighter are done. There will be no more Joe Frazier's or Bennie Briscoe's.

And not one American great could cut it in another sport. Ali, Frazier, Tyson etc., wouldn't ever be good at another sport.

 

you are owning yourself with this comment

 

Bob Fitzsimmons, Randy Turpin and Joe Calzaghe.

 

Exactly...these big, strong, powerful guys that are being brought up as the guys moving to "other sports", and potential champions if they hadn't...most likely have had some experience with boxing training. Yet they chose another sport.

I could be 6'8, 240lbs, very athletic, I might be able to jump over a 7ft man...but it doesn't mean I would be successful at boxing.

 

whats atg go to to do with it? we have produced champions consistently over the past 20 years at mw/smw, the usa have failed to do this at hw, why is that?

all our 160-180lb'ers are playing football

 

The focus on being able to jump over a 7ft man is quite odd. I don't know why it would ever be mentioned. Nobody is doubting that these people are great athletes, but it's just this assumption that they could make it as a because because they can jump.

Most top boxers weren't great athletes. Ali wasn't particularly strong, Frazier wasn't agile, Tyson was limited because of his physical size, Louis didn't have fast feet - They weren't exceptional athletes, but they were all born a fighter.

Countless trainers over the years have been given these supposed tough, strong, athletic men and said that it's not enough. It just isn't. I don't care how fast someone is or how strong they are, when they get hit, it's another story. A fighter has to be tough and resilient and I don't think American's are any more.

The emphasis on this thread is about heavyweights, which suits the argument because the NFL is full of 250lb men and the NBA is full of 6'5"+ athletes. Where's the explanation for the lack of American -200lbers? The depth isn't much different.

 

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There may be some guys in basketball and the NFL who had the potential to be champion boxers. But using that as the sole reason why America hasn't produced any good Heavyweight's over the last couple years is an excuse. The main reason is that most Heavyweights aren't up to standard, not just America...but most countries.

 

They need pads because they hit about 100 times harder and come in way faster than Rugby hits.

I like Rugby, but watch a rugby game then immediately turn to an NFL game... THe speed difference is appalling ... speed kills

 

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