The Theory of "Modern Training Methods" Being Superior

You are talking about the clean and jerk and the improvements in the massive weights lifted by Olympic weight-lifters. This has nothing to do with boxing, at all.

Whatever the weightlifts are geared to, what they have produced is nothing like as special as what floor excersises have produced. And that's a fact.

Not as much as punching mimicks a punch, and not as like explosively sitting down on a punch is like explosively sitting down on a punch.

Well, until someone in the multi-million pound boxing industry figures this out for themselves and produces someone more explosive than Jones, Mayweather, Tyson and Demspey using serious weight training, we'll just have to agree to dis-agree. But you paint a picture of grotesque mis-handling of some of the sports biggest fighters by the best in the business. To me, if i'm frank with you, it seems ridiculous.

 

They also bind muscles, train possibly inappropriate trajectory, place stresses on the body which will not exist during punching, and are basically unrpoven in comparison to traditional methods.

Are you being obtuse?

Uh yeah, the facts. Facts like Roy Jones and Mike Tyson not stressing training with weights and being two of the most explosively impressive fighters on film versus your opinion that training with weights would have made perhaps the two most explosive fighters in history more explosive.

Floor exercises is to mean the body-resistance exercises traditionall used by fighters. And i'm not advocating these over weight-lifting, as you put it. I'm saying that weight-lifting does not give the advantage painted by Bokaj earlier in the thread. Weights to improve condition have been in use sine before the Queensberry rules were introduced, many fighters have used them, as you've said, but they just haven't yielded the results you are pretending they have.

You keep saying this, and you get upset when I ignore any piece of any of your posts, so I have to say to you again, the most explosive boxers on film are the ones who eschewed weights.

I would consider Dempsey very explosive.

Boxing is not a minority sport.

 

I nearly mentioned Tyszu earlier, he does indeed train with weights, a lot. Judah doesn't though. Judah more explosive.

 

Is this directed at me also? If so you've got ahold of the wrong end of the stick, I think he's enormously explosive. I also think his punches are educated.

 

No I am not. I am well aware of the state of play. What i'm saying, for the fifth or sixth time, is that weight-training doesn't lend the huge advantage that Bokay seemed to think it did.

I've already said in the thread: I believe that you could replace traditional methods with weight-training and do as well with an athlete - and yeah, maybe even better, who knows, some guys respond to one thing better than another, mentally.

But it doesn't give any advantage over more traditional methods.

And yeah, your man Jones never trained with weights. Ever. Until he moved up to HW.

 

I think he's top 3 out of the champs, anyway. Louis, Tyson, Dempsey, no order.

 

Sprinters run very fast in a straight line. Their technique is absolutely stable. This is why all the confusion this is why comparing sprinting to boxing is NEVER going to help anyone. Boxing uses planes of movement that a sprinting coach doesn't have to worry about in his worst nightmares. The difference in angle you describe is all the difference in the world. It's a different angle, ladelled with weight that is nothing to do with the real. The most explosive fighters to appear on film did not train with weights.

There seems to be a recrurring effort to return this argument to genetics as though the training was not the most important aspect. Training WAS the most important aspect. Neither trained (very much in Tyson's case, at all in Jones's case) with weights.

You repeat this weight/speed/power mantra over and again on the forum. Where do you make room for technique? Where do you make room for plane of movement? Where do you make room for physical memory? Where do you make room for the over-whelming anecdotal evidence that weight training doesn't make fighters more explosive?

You've obviously learned all of this somewhere, some course or something, self taught. You obviously know your stuff. Good. You also want this all to apply to the sport you love so much. Not good. Because it just doesn't appear to be the case.

OK.

OK.

I'm glad you acknowledge it, and maybe (unless i have and i've missed it) you can find room for it in your wee equation? Basically, this is an argument about whether or not modern training is better than more traditional trainging. I don't agree it is because the fighters spar less. A hundred rounds is considered a huge amount today. This is good, because it is better for a fighter's health, but for me, it settles any argument about which training regime makes BETTER FIGHTERS in the coldest possible analysis.

It's watched by millions upon millions weekly and the am. scene in the UK is stronger than it's ever been.