Muhammad Ali: The true p4p GOAT, or truely OVER RATED?

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  1. Flash Jab

    Flash Jab Boxing Junkie banned

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    "After his boxing career ended, Robinson attempted a career as an entertainer, but struggled, and lived in poverty until his death in 1989. "

    This makes me so angry. Nothing has changed.
     
  2. AnthonyW

    AnthonyW ESB Official Gif Poster Full Member

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    And we've got boxers nowadays who complain and don't make bouts because they want that 5-10% extra purse.
     
  3. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Ali number 1 heavyweight, top 4 atg p4p imo.
     
  4. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Robinson was the king of **** like this.
     
  5. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    losing 4 years of his prime hurt him....and he still had a better second half of career than 90% of fighters the total career. he beat all of the monster threats of his era, and when he was an under dog in most.... being a heavyweight, he wasnt gonna get 182 fights in a career....like moore, robinson, ect....of all time, doesnt matter to me...greatest heavyweight ever....no doubt
     
  6. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    GOAT Heavyweight.
     
  7. J Griz 757

    J Griz 757 Arturo "Thunder" Gatti Full Member

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    This is a massive problem with fighters nowadays. How many fighters in top 10 spots, fight once a year, IF THAT, because of this? Alot.

    In 1975 Ali defended his Wba/Wbc belts 3 times, in a 3 month span. You wont be seeing a fighter defend two belts that often any time soon (yes I do realize sometimes its the corrupt sanctioning bodies fault too nowadays).
     
  8. Void is Void

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    Ali, due to his legendary popularity, is usually ridiculously over rated by the non boxing educated person.

    Ali as a whole, I think was pretty damn over rated, probably because of his charisma when he fought, but I must give him props when it comes to his weight class.

    Ali was probably the best heavyweight ever.
     
  9. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Take away Ali's wins over Foreman, Liston and Frazier and Ali still has the best competition ever at Heavyweight. No other heavyweight fought that many tough challengers as he did. Overrated? Go **** yourself for even thinking it.
     
  10. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Ali is easily the greatest of all times. I dare anybody to give me a better resumes then Liston, Norton, Patterson, Frazier, Foreman?
     
  11. J Griz 757

    J Griz 757 Arturo "Thunder" Gatti Full Member

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    Come to think of it Ali does hold a win over (faded) Archie Moore.

    That alone is pretty for a resume.
     
  12. TommyV

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    01. Henry Armstrong
    02. Harry Greb
    03. Sugar Ray Robinson
    04. Sam Langford
    05. Ezzard Charles
    06. Bob Fitzsimmons
    07. Willie Pep
    08. Benny Leonard
    09. Mickey Walker
    10; Roberto Duran
    11. Archie Moore
    12. Joe Gans
    13. Muhammad Ali

    I wouldn't argue with people putting him as high as 7 though. He's my number one heavy though, although if I review my heavyweight list like I have recently my P4P list, Louis could overtake him. But his resumé is just too deep and H2H, well, a peaked '66/67 Ali might be the best heavy we've ever seen on film.

    He had his technical flaws, sure. But ever boxer does and what he did have in his locker was mesmerizing, and what he achieved proves that he was one of the greatest heavies of all-time in terms of his ability.
     
  13. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    Wtf You rank Duran higher then Ali?
     
  14. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    With Patterson and Norton.
     
  15. FlatNose

    FlatNose Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No other heavyweight had such serious competition over such a long period of time. From Sonny Liston to Floyd Patterson, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Ken Norton and Bob Foster, Ali's resume is second to none at heavyweight. Classic , dramatic, exciting performances against some of the best ever.
    The same can be said of Robinson, but his competittion was even stiffer than Ali's, and he fought at the top level for a longer time.
    Robinson the best ever, Ali the best heavyweight ever.